OLD BOARD - How do I wire it?

[jjrules2]

Hi, i was wondering if you guys could take a look at these two photos and give me a hand. I have installed a new distribution board in a very old apartment and have removed the old board and the old 16mm tails from the box above. I have my new 25mm tails and now I have completely forgotten which terminals I removed the old tails from. Massive error I know.

There is a drawing on the inside of the box as well, but this just confuses me as it seems to me that the supply tails have been previously terminated by whoever did it in the past into the load side? Do you agree? Neither cable is marked so I do not know which is Live or Neutral, obviously leaving me to guess where to put my new tails from the box to the distribution board, which is never good. I also thing the box is upside down judging by the writing on the left hand side of the photo and the specification/termination drawing as well!!

Any advice? obviously just need to know where to terminate my new tails!

Thanks

 

[Octopus]

Is this a Saturday night wind up?

 

[jjrules2]

?? No I am afraid not. Just looking for some advice please.

 

[micknew]

Phone a sparks first thing tomorrow and pay him to do the work or do it yourself and risk killing someone 'mate'.

 

[jjrules2]

I am actually qualified from college, however I have no experience due to struggling to get an apprenticeship throughout my college, have only done a bit of first and second fixing for a small company in London. Just looking for any advice on how to do this, even if I get someone else to do it I would still like to learn how!

 

[Octopus]

I am actually qualified from college, however I have no experience due to struggling to get an apprenticeship throughout my college, have only done a bit of first and second fixing for a small company in London. Just looking for any advice on how to do this, even if I get someone else to do it I would still like to learn how!

As above, pay a competent electrician to come in and watch what they do.

Too many people on this site expect knowledge for no cost.

 

[Des 56]

Apply the knowledge you were taught about voltage testing
Using an approved voltage tester to the conductors with reference to earth,then come back with your findings and get them confirmed

Do not use guesswork, and by the way, if this is a wind up,please get a life

 

[Silly Sausage]

That equipment looks like it's from Tony's era.
He might be your best bet for advice. :wink_smile:

 

[micknew]

Post your location and a forum member might offer to lend you test gear and tell you how to use it so that you can save a bit of money.

 

[Paul.M]

jjrules please, please, please get somebody in that can do the job instead of guessing where to put your tails.

Fair enough your trying to gain experience but ask any good sparky and they will tell you when they know when they have hit his own limit. Walk away or get someone in mate, no good will come from you going any further with this.

 

[Short Circuit]

i agree with the comments / advice you have had - this has all the hall marks of a wind up - you can see from the pic where your tails were, but the worrying part is ( apart from the fact you are doing the job ) is that the so called supply looks to be 2.5 pyro, and you are thinking you can upgrade the 16mm tails to 25 ! why? If this is a genuine job, get someone to work with you who can show you the ropes - the way you are going some nice bloke with a red gown and funny wig will be showing you the rope on the gallows! Cant see how that unit has been working the way it was intended and looks as if it has been used as a joint box, nothing more, nothing less!

 

[Silly Sausage]

jj

I'll give you one piece of advice, which I use a lot myself...and seeing as you can take lovely pictures...

Whenever you come across a new bit of gear or something that's not obvious to reassemble etc etc, take a load of pictures. Only takes seconds and you've got something to refer back to then.
I've got Gigabytes of valves and all sorts in bits, saved my backside a few times!

 

[Guitarist]

Just out of interest, how were you planning to carry out the EIC?

 

[Paul.M]

"I have installed a new distribution board in a very old apartment and have removed the old board and the old 16mm tails from the box above. I have my new 25mm tails and now I have completely forgotten which terminals I removed the old tails from. Massive error I know."


You've forgotten which tail goes where?

To disconnect any tails from any board you must have had to isolate them rather at an isolation unit or the main incomer fuse. Which one was it?

Open up the iso or main fuse and visually trace the tails or do it the correct way and test it.


I'm sorry gentlemen but this is a late night wind up or a Diyer that had bought a 50 quid cu from a shed. If I'm wrong I will apologise only if you can answer me this question:-

What does appendix 6 (intro) section v, say?

You've qualified from college so a simple 17th question should be like a duck to water.

 

[vernam616]

I dont beleve for one second you have any electrical qualifications

Call a real electrician mate before you are up in court on a manslaughter charge, electricity and gas are not to be taken lightly, you are literally messing with peoples lives

 

[Silly Sausage]

I dont beleve for one second you have any electrical qualifications

Call a real electrician mate before you are up in court on a manslaughter charge, electricity and gas are not to be taken lightly, you are literally messing with peoples lives

If you look at his 1st (on the forum) post, I think his boss has dropped him in at the deep end and gone away on holiday.
He should be asking his boss first.

 

[micknew]

OMG lets feel sorry for him and give him some help, after all surely that's what we're here for guys.

 

[rick]

OP - PLEASE leave it alone and get someone in. This would be very easy for someone with a little knowledge to work out so it sounds like you are completely out of your depth, not slating you, we can't all know about everything.

 

[Richard Burns]

OMG lets feel sorry for him and give him some help, after all surely that's what we're here for guys.

I think for something this simple and clear cut and from posts 1, 7, and 14 anyone trained should be able to work this out safely.
If there is not enough information already for the OP then he is out of his depth on this one and the sensible course is to get local personal assistance for this because connecting in the wrong polarity could have serious consequences. I just hope the box is not live.

 

[Adam W]

Some pretty catty comments here but I can appreciate where they're coming from.
Remember if you're replacing or installing a new consumer unit it should be compliant with the current edition of BS7671, which I suspect this one is not.

 

[D80]

jj

I'll give you one piece of advice, which I use a lot myself...and seeing as you can take lovely pictures...

Whenever you come across a new bit of gear or something that's not obvious to reassemble etc etc, take a load of pictures. Only takes seconds and you've got something to refer back to then.
I've got Gigabytes of valves and all sorts in bits, saved my backside a few times!

I don't think the "not obvious to reassemble" applies here though lol.

Another option when taking apart and having to put it back together later is to cut the cables with enough length to see what went where before.

 

[Silly Sausage]

Some pretty catty comments here but I can appreciate where they're coming from.
Remember if you're replacing or installing a new consumer unit it should be compliant with the current edition of BS7671, which I suspect this one is not.

As per usual in response to a new member.
He's obviously not a DIY merchant, see my last post.
His CU change could very well be perfectly alright, he's just gone too far messing with the tails by the looks of it. Give the boy a break.

 

[Adam W]

As per usual in response to a new member.
He's obviously not a DIY merchant, see my last post.
His CU change could very well be perfectly alright, he's just gone too far messing with the tails by the looks of it. Give the boy a break.

My comment wasn't specifically directed at you, in fact I think I just read the comments and not who posted them, but my point was that I don't think anyone, electrician or otherwise, should be installing old kit which isn't compliant to the latest regs.

 

[DurhamSparky]

Simples when you know how...!!

you have 2 cables in your hand....!! try rotating your cover and it will look much clearer!!

and to find the line conductor please either use a voltage tester or just follow the cable from the meter...!

 

[vernam616]

All these people want to help are just as much a fool, to learn a voltage testing sequence is the basic of all basic things and is covered within your first week at college

Im pretty confident he isnt an electrician, if he has got papers they. Must be forged as this has to be one of the most basic stupid questions ive ever seen on this forum to date

 

[ManchesterGas]

I'm sorry but if you can't work that out then you need to go back to college and get your money back or think of a change in career.

I have no qualifications and can see exactly where they should go!

(FYI, I am booked onto a 2382-12 course in a couple of weeks and will then be doing an I&T course, so that is why I'm here, broadening my knowledge)

 

[ezzzekiel]

50/50 chance not bad odds if youre a gambling man

 

[Guitarist]

I personally believe this has to be a wind-up. If not, then we definitely shouldn't be giving advice to someone as "non-competent" as this.

 

[DurhamSparky]

connect both cables to your ear lugs and replace fuse!!

that will tell you which one is live or not...!

 

[SirKit Breaker]

Just out of interest, how were you planning to carry out the EIC?

And notifying LABC...........

 

[SirKit Breaker]

Red to red black to black blue to bits...............:dunce:

 

[DurhamSparky]

I predict a "Funeral"

 

[Knobhead]

Is there a meter connected? Or should I say was there a meter? If there was follow the drawing. If not loose the neutral to the meter, then fit a link between the fuse output and the live out going whichever it is. If you can’t work out which is the out going live with a test set then get someone who can. A two minute job.

Archie! I’ll get my own back!

 

[sedgy34]

Ask your self what is the load!!!!if you still dont get it hang your tools up JJ doesnt rule