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Take electrician #1 He's the only one who has given good advice.
#2 is talking rubbish because 60s wiring could be breaking down. There's only one way to tell
#3 is talking rubbish because mineral insulated cables are not used in a mains supply. At least not one that I've seen in 34 years in the trade. If MI cables are used in an installation, if they are done properly they will outlast just about anyone on this forum

Trev, mineral supplies from ryfield units to flats used to be common around here, usually they potted but not glanded at the consumers fuse (red link) end and quite often have just the sleeved tails taken off into the bottom of the service head, very often 6mm or 10mm pyro's. Most were supposed to have been replaced with split-con by now but haven't.
 
I've seen them coming from a meter room before, from a switchfuse but that's not the DNO supply so yeah I know what you're saying mate
 
Yeah, a lot of these flats would have originally had meter rooms but most have had meters moved into the flats due to unwanted visitors and vandalism in the meter rooms, on a side note, some street lighting around our area is run in Pyro!
 
If anyone knows Victoria Centre in Nottingham (Fairy Towers) all the flats are supplied via MICC’s which are the DNO’s responsibility.
The whole place is causing quite some concern regarding supplies. It’s about on its last legs. It’s a case of when the supply fails, not if.
Harmonics and terrible PF are taking their toll on the transformers and risers particularly the neutrals.
 
Just to throw my 2ps worth in:
There's nothing 'wrong' with MI cable as such and it's certainly not 'obsolete', although it's used much less frequently nowadays. The main reasons for this is that it's expensive and can be time consuming to install unless the electrician is used to using it. The reason it wouldn't be OK is the mineral powder used for insulation needs to be kept dry. As already mentioned if the ends were made off properly it should still be fine, but the electrician will do an insulation resistance test to measure just how 'fine' it still is.

I would be more concerned about the layout of the wiring - by the sound of it you're going to need more sockets which will involve new wiring, and the layout could well need changing. Also it could be that all the sockets are on the same circuit, likewise all the lighting. Under the current regulations rcd protection is generally required for all circuits in a way as to prevent disruption, which usually involves 2 rcds in the consumer unit with a lighting circuit and power circuit on each, split across the board so for example if one lighting circuit trips you still have the sockets working in that room so can use a table lamp, light from the tv etc.
This alteration of the layout may mean that although the existing cable might be fine, keeping it could just seem like an exercise in conservation and replacing the whole lot might work out easier and cheaper.

I don't see why you couldn't have night storage heaters, but you'd usually need a separate consumer unit and feed from the meter for them. It's worth considering your energy usage - the whole point of storage heaters is they use cheaper off peak electricity, but on an economy 7 tariff you pay a lot more for electricity during the day, so a modern electric radiator might work out cheaper for you.
 
Hi all,

We are booking a EICR, but all the sparks we have spoken to won't be free until in two weeks time... I guess we will just have to wait.

I went onto the Dimplex website, and did a calculation, we will need a 2.55kW and a 1.7kW storage heaters in each of the rooms. Replacing the original hallway storage heaters with the 1.7kW ones, we are looking at a total peak consumption of 7650kW. Given 230V, that equites to total current of 33.26A.

Would a 30A fused cable support such a current?

Another option for us, I guess, if the old cables are sound (they are pvc insulated and does look in good conditions, no split, discolouration or burning marks), is then, to reconnect one of the hallway heater to the living room heater, which runs from its own 30A fused cable directly connected to the meter via its own fuse box. This would even out the distribution of usage on the two E7 lines coming out from the meter.

Does this idea sound reasonable?
 
#3 is talking rubbish because mineral insulated cables are not used in a mains supply. At least not one that I've seen in 34 years in the trade. If MI cables are used in an installation, if they are done properly they will outlast just about anyone on this forum

If it is a flat they may well have used mineral insulated cables to supply it. It will be a sub main from the main intake on the bottom floor. Seen it hundreds of times in hove, it never has to be replaced because if untouched it will last forever.

Its a complete lie thats its non compliant, if it tests out fine, it is fine.
 
If it is a flat they may well have used mineral insulated cables to supply it. It will be a sub main from the main intake on the bottom floor. Seen it hundreds of times in hove, it never has to be replaced because if untouched it will last forever.

Its a complete lie thats its non compliant, if it tests out fine, it is fine.

Key words there but it's always been from a switchfuse, so not the responsibility of the DNO. That was the point I was trying (badly) to make mate
 
So do I. I have recently installed a new zone for a fire alarm in one of my schools, and because it was only 6 detectors/call points, I did it in mineral with my apprentice so he could learn how to do it properly. I even showed him how to strip it with side cutters and by the end of the job, he was very good at it.

It seems to be an art form that is being lost by the current learners, and that to me is a real shame.
 
I did a load of fire alarm work a few weeks back, first pyro ends I've made off in years. Took my time with the first couple then I realised I was back on the horse.
We did a very big granny farm so there was loads to do.
 
It always takes the first pot to refresh your mind, and then its second nature. I would like to know why they haven't made pozi drive brass screws for outside when its being clipped though. They are the thing that takes the longest......

And please dont tell me they have, I stabbed my finger twice slipping off the screw head.....
 
I've seen em mate but it's a bit irrelevant really anyway isn't it. The screws are fastened into a plastic plug!
Oh, forgot to mention. Because I knew this job was coming up I got a shiny new joistripper, ÂŁ8 inc postage off fleabay :)
 

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