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What is the oldest dimmer switch you have seen in use recently?
When did you install your first dimmer? (Veteran sparks only)

I ask because a friend recently sent me a link to a 'news' story about an old toaster still in use, which I don't even really see as an old toaster (OK, yes, it's older than my daily use toaster but I have much older working toasters.) There are quite a few of these stories around, where people find something from the 1950s still giving service and think that's remarkable. But what about the humble, unobtrusive knob on the wall?

I have one old dimmer still in use at home, it's a 'Crescent 2' 300W model which probably dates from the late 1960s. I haven't been able to pin it down any tighter from the components, but if I trawl some magazines of the era I think there are ads for this specific dimmer. Mounted on MK rounded corner face plates, they use an old circuit based on a stud thyristor inside a bridge rectifier, triggered by a germanium transistor, instead of a triac triggered by a diac which has been standard since the 1970s. This has the disadvantage of two extra diode-drops so higher heat dissipation, but the advantage of absolute firing symmetry. I see flicker very easily and can spot a diac-triggered triac dimmer that has a 50Hz component in its output due to slightly different triggering voltages on the two half-waves.

We had five of these at one time, some were retired with the coming of the CFL, another replaced with an IR remote-controlled one, etc. One did fail with a leaky AC128. The last one is likely to get retired soon as I want to try LED in this fitting that is on for many hours a day and will need a compatible dimmer. At the moment the Crescent 2 is dimming a 150W GLS lamp, it has had up to 200W (often 2x 100W in a bayonet Y-adaptor) as it's a key light source in the lounge. The main reason the Crescent has survived so long is the high quality Allen-Bradley pots they used, which never seem to wear out.

Let's see your old dimmers. I have a soft spot for the edge-thumbwheel-controlled MKs of the 70s-80s with the separate switch. I don't think we have any in the collection though.

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My father rewired Blackpool Town Hall in the 1980's.The building was one of the first to get electrics in 1900 and was wired in lead with waxed paper as the insulator.The joints were put into a metal box,the lead clamped and the wires stripped bare and jointed with porcelain screw it joints.The whole joint box was then filled with hot bitumen to seal the box for life.
Anyway,the reason for this post is that they had a chandelier in the main entrance which had a very high ceiling and beneath was a statue of Queen Victoria.As it was near impossible to get to the bulbs to replace them,they needed to lower the voltage to the bulbs so that they lasted longer.Dimmers didn't exist I dont think in 1900 so they wired 2 bulbs in series with the chandelier.These bulbs were placed in the gents toilets nearby so, when the chandelier was on,so were the bulbs in the toilet.The chandelier bulbs run at a much reduced voltage and fulfilled the purpose of a dimmer.
 
You can often pick up stuff like this on Ebay

You'd think so, but I couldn't find a single image of the dimmer switch in question anywhere on the web. The link you posted is the nearest, but that's the grid version. Doesn't help that MK have 'recycled' the part number several times.
 
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@brianmoooore that's a very kind offer that I will take you up on, and thereby tick off one of my 87 million must-haves from the museum list. Of course it's part of the bigger picture of making up a complete set of MK accessories in each of their hallmark styles, but as I mentioned it's a personal favourite because when I was young and first saw one, the edge-control struck me as being much neater and more in keeping with the general style of light switches than a sticky-out rotary knob.

I'll PM you about postage etc and how to reimburse for same.

@Bob Geldoff1234 I wish we could have saved some of that gear!
 
@Lucien Nunes : Been looking through the rest of the box, and found this, which must be almost as old as yours.
Again, condition unknown, but yours if you want it.
Send me an address and I'll get it all posted to you, although it might take a while, since I'm still isolating from society, on account of my wife, so will have to get my son to post it, and his partner has just tested positive for you know what.
Do you want both boxed dimmers, the known working one and the one in this post?
Don't worry about postage costs. I'm sure the business can stand paying for that.
Just get on and get the museum up and running, so that I can visit it, meet you, and hopefully see my dimmers on display.
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