Outbuilding Smoke detector required?

[SSE]

Do you have to fit a smoke detector in outbuildings? It's a new build, about 20metres from the house and is half kennels half storage area? Someone told me there's no need but I wasn't sure if that was correct

 

[trev]

As it's kennels I'd be inclined to put it in mate.

 

[JD6400]

You may want to go for an optical beam and shield it from vermin / bird movement , as the varying temp and humidity may well play havoc with a standard domestic one .

 

[tazz]

would need to know more abaut the build, is it fully open area, or seperated rooms, flat or pitched roof, and what is being stored.

 

[trev]

what is being stored.

It's kennels mate, they're storing dogs

 

[chrish_1977]

What does the architect and/or fire officer say, I would agree with others and fit one

 

[tazz]

It's kennels mate, they're storing dogs

lol Trev....If straw, hey or dried foods are being stored, then this adds to the dust level, Have designed for Wildlife Charities, and there are a lot of issues, like no sounders in animal areas due to their hearing range, will be the same with dogs

 

[trev]

I know Tazz it was just an opportunity too good to pass up. Sorry mate.

 

[tazz]

Was a good comment tho.....Would think Building control will just ask for fire protection without any technical input

 

[g-davies]

If I were you I would put a smoke detector in,better safe than sorry.I don't think there is any requirement,other than on a new build or refurb of a domestic to have a smoke detector in an open area on each floor.

 

[tazz]

If I were you I would put a smoke detector in,better safe than sorry.I don't think there is any requirement,other than on a new build or refurb of a domestic to have a smoke detector in an open area on each floor.

May not be classed as domestic, plus it could be a harsh enviroment hence JD6400 is thinking on the same lines with Beam or air sampling. Normal smoke are not going to work here, the will be going off every five minutes

 

[SSE]

Thanks for replies. Basically it's a rectangular shaped building, half of it is to be used to store tools and an old tractor, the other half is split into 3 kennels for the owners dogs. It has a pitched roof. Inside there are no plasterboard ceilings, it's opened up as he is storing wood etc on top of the joists. The architect doesn't have any smoke detectors as a requirement but as has been suggested it's probably better to have one in.

 

[tazz]

Right now with have some info...Suggest you evaluate the amount of dust, and possible water mist when cleaning down, as most animal pens use steam cleaners. A commercial alarm panel would be best here, with siren/strobe on outside of building, as i believe sounders are really painful to animals ears. If the dust level is fairly low the ionization smokes will be required, optical are no use in this enviroment. If there is alot of dust and water spray, a optical beam detector can be powered and linked off the control panel. Placed 500mm below the highest point of the roof, it can be adjusted to most situations. would suggest Fire Beam Company units, very easy to setup, cheaper and quicker than fitting 3 or 4 detectors down the building....hope this helps

 

[DPG]

It would help to know the relative flammability of the dogs that are being held there. Some dogs are notoriously flammable and classed as higher risk. I think there is a BS chart somewhere showing each breed against its particular Df classification. High Df figures will need more rigid fire protection and possibly sprinklers. Daz

 

[SSE]

Change of plans I've now been told. There will be ceilings going on the joists now! I'll only need to fit a smoke detector in the workshop/storage area now I'd imagine.