Paris Attacks

[Paul.M]

They live by medieval beliefs and practices that belong nowhere in our civilised world.

That is the best sentence of this thread so far.

Biblical text from every religion is from 1000 - 2000+ years ago. A control over the local population and power to the men that enforce it. Now we have extremest reading old text from a book written 2000+ years ago and having the thoughts of killing people that do not believe in the same things that they do.

Brain washed idiots that are killing people world wide. Islam is a peaceful religion, these individuals are starting a world civil war.

 

[Marvo]

Obviously not all muslims are to blame, infact a very low amount are radicalised, a very low amount, but that doesn't help with our security, Pakistan and Syria need to understand that it is their responsibility to take control of their country to protect their people as well as ours or we will have to do it, if this keeps persisting because these terror camps are not dealt with internally then we will have to act, every war has innocent casualties, that is an appalling situation but the truth, it is a case of do we allow our children here to be blown to bits by terrorists and keep saying not all muslims in these countries are not to blame or do we ensure the protection and safety at home and innocents elswhere suffer because they have not acted there, nah sorry, carpet bombing may have to happen, it is them or us, if they are serious about trying to oust terrorism then they need to get a grip on it and quickly. The 5 outrages in paris, the london bombings, 9/11, etc etc etc will continue unless they are stopped, so again either sort it out now or we will have to do so.

I'm really confused, you're advocating carpet bombing which is going to kill high numbers of innocents....... because the Paris and New York attacks killed high numbers of innocents. So it's obviously not the killing of innocents that you have an issue with, in which case what's got you so up in arms you're advocating carpet bombing?

 

[Darkwood]

We in part with America is what gave birth to ISIS this isn't a disputed fact and now finally expressed by both governments, we now have to deal with the consequences, originally this came down to the petrodollar and the threat of a country to trade oil in other currencies.. that country was invaded under a false flag of WMD's, other countries that have tried to sell oil in the past in other currencies also have been invaded by America and is a key point to them starting any war - if oil is traded in any other currency then it could cripple America financially and see its demise as a world leading power so a lot is at stake... Russia and China are well aware of this and recently have taken steps to sell oil without using dollars... America is now in a very bad position as they won't invade a Nuke country for obvious reasons.... its also why they left Syria alone for 5 yrs until it became a ISIS haven, because they had no vested interests to gain anything even though the world watched Assad slaughter his own people.
Its all a political game of poker been played and at the moment Russia has the best hand and America is trying to bluff the call but that's another story, so you want to know who to blame here.. the west is! You need desire and hatred to create a suicide bomber, brainwashing takes time but at the rate they are turning them out and we have given them reason.

The Koran has some nasty passages and verses but so does the bible, so its not the religion to blame here but that is just a vessel to corrupt the minds, some of these minds have seen and experienced things none of us would dare imagine and we as a nation carry alot of innocent blood on our hands, it thus becomes easy for ISIS to reach out with their horror stories of what the west has done - you want to point fingers then look at our own governments first and what their foreign policy has reaped over the decades.

 

[Englishman]

We in part with America is what gave birth to ISIS this isn't a disputed fact and now finally expressed by both governments, we now have to deal with the consequences, originally this came down to the petrodollar and the threat of a country to trade oil in other currencies.. that country was invaded under a false flag of WMD's, other countries that have tried to sell oil in the past in other currencies also have been invaded by America and is a key point to them starting any war - if oil is traded in any other currency then it could cripple America financially and see its demise as a world leading power so a lot is at stake... Russia and China are well aware of this and recently have taken steps to sell oil without using dollars... America is now in a very bad position as they won't invade a Nuke country for obvious reasons.... its also why they left Syria alone for 5 yrs until it became a ISIS haven, because they had no vested interests to gain anything even though the world watched Assad slaughter his own people.
Its all a political game of poker been played and at the moment Russia has the best hand and America is trying to bluff the call but that's another story, so you want to know who to blame here.. the west is! You need desire and hatred to create a suicide bomber, brainwashing takes time but at the rate they are turning them out and we have given them reason.

The Koran has some nasty passages and verses but so does the bible, so its not the religion to blame here but that is just a vessel to corrupt the minds, some of these minds have seen and experienced things none of us would dare imagine and we as a nation carry alot of innocent blood on our hands, it thus becomes easy for ISIS to reach out with their horror stories of what the west has done - you want to point fingers then look at our own governments first and what their foreign policy has reaped over the decades.

Gave birth to ISIS yes, but Islamic extremism was born a long time before the 21st century. I went over it a lot a few posts ago.

 

[GMES]

Also regardless of who started what and who is to blame for how we got here the fact remains that we now face a clear and present danger from isis and no amount of finger pointing is going to change that. We now have to launch a military strike against them with all allied nations working together to rid the world of these barbarians.

 

[Englishman]

Should have done that long ago. Boots need to be on the ground. And don't be fooled into thinking that groups like Al Nusra are any safer to us, they're just weaker.

 

[Barry White]

Hope that your wife gets home safely (sure she will).

Muslims are not t blame, the "extremest" are![/QUOTE

Will correct that statment with facts Paul.

Not every Muslim is a terrorist BUT every terrorist is a Muslim.

 

[Darkwood]

Gave birth to ISIS yes, but Islamic extremism was born a long time before the 21st century. I went over it a lot a few posts ago.

Agree Islamic extremists have existed for a long time but look at history at the right place and time and this can be said about any religion, what I'm trying to point out is alot of the newly groomed extremists who are carrying out these attacks are home grown and attack the very countries that they were born in, why?... because we have given them reason to through our part in invading muslim based countries often killing many innocents...just for a political agenda masked as a false flag to ensure we as a nation back the invasion, we wouldn't be a target if we didn't give them reason to seek revenge.

Like GMES says its to late now pointing fingers of why and who, we are here and again we find we are having to resort to war to try clean up the mess left by another war we created.... catch 22 comes to mind here.

 

[Barry White]

BBC Radio 4 Today Muslim Poll « ComRes

• More than two in five (46%) feel that being a Muslim in Britain is difficult due to prejudice against Islam.
• Almost all Muslims living in Britain feel a loyalty to the country (95%). Just 6% say they feel a disloyalty.
• Nine in ten (93%) British Muslims believe that Muslims in Britain should always obey British laws.
• One in four (27%) British Muslims say they have some sympathy for the motives behind the attacks on Charlie Hebdo in Paris.
• However, two thirds (68%) say acts of violence against those who publish images of the Prophet can never be justified while a quarter (24%) disagree.
• Muslim women are more likely than men to feel unsafe in Britain.
• One in nine (11%) British Muslims feel sympathetic towards people who want to fight against western interests while 85% do not.
• Half (49%) believe Muslim clerics preaching that violence against the west can be justified are out of touch with mainstream Muslim opinion, while 45% disagree.

 

[Englishman]

Agree Islamic extremists have existed for a long time but look at history at the right place and time and this can be said about any religion, what I'm trying to point out is alot of the newly groomed extremists who are carrying out these attacks are home grown and attack the very countries that they were born in, why?... because we have given them reason to through our part in invading muslim based countries often killing many innocents...just for a political agenda masked as a false flag to ensure we as a nation back the invasion, we wouldn't be a target if we didn't give them reason to seek revenge.

Like GMES says its to late now pointing fingers of why and who, we are here and again we find we are having to resort to war to try clean up the mess left by another war we created.... catch 22 comes to mind here.

And I agree with that, but what I said earlier still rings true, and that is that we went into Iraq and Afghanistan for a reason. If we now go into Syria (as someone needs to), then your argument will be the same in 10 years. We didn't create a war just before September 2001, nor back in 1998. The new recruits may be influenced by recent wars but the ringleaders have been around a long time.

And another thing I said earlier is also true, the innocent civilians killed by western troops in both Iraq and Afghanistan pales into insignificancy when compared to the innocent civilians killed in both countries by Muslim insurgency. Car bombs in markets etc. Iraq has always had an issue with that side of things due to the Sunni Shiite factions, whenever one is in power, they treat the other like ****.

Palestine is also deliberately used as a recruiting ground by Hamas deliberately provoking Israel, knowing that Israel will respond with their full force, which in turn will convert more youths to terrorist ideology. Hamas know exactly what they're doing when they start firing rockets or killing innocent Israelis.

 

[Englishman]

BBC Radio 4 Today Muslim Poll « ComRes

• More than two in five (46%) feel that being a Muslim in Britain is difficult due to prejudice against Islam.
• Almost all Muslims living in Britain feel a loyalty to the country (95%). Just 6% say they feel a disloyalty.
• Nine in ten (93%) British Muslims believe that Muslims in Britain should always obey British laws.
• One in four (27%) British Muslims say they have some sympathy for the motives behind the attacks on Charlie Hebdo in Paris.
• However, two thirds (68%) say acts of violence against those who publish images of the Prophet can never be justified while a quarter (24%) disagree.
• Muslim women are more likely than men to feel unsafe in Britain.
• One in nine (11%) British Muslims feel sympathetic towards people who want to fight against western interests while 85% do not.
• Half (49%) believe Muslim clerics preaching that violence against the west can be justified are out of touch with mainstream Muslim opinion, while 45% disagree.

BBC polls about something like this are irrelevant, indeed any poll would be because they'd always seek to portray an image, be it right wing or left wing.

 

[Harni]

Hope that your wife gets home safely (sure she will).

Muslims are not t blame, the "extremest" are!

Will correct that statment with facts Paul.

Not every Muslim is a terrorist BUT every terrorist is a Muslim.

Sorry but i disagree with that. They will say they are muslim and doing it in the name of their god or the Koran but they are not. As said a few posts up, the Koran teaches some rather nasty stuff just like the bible and any other religious publication. The main point is how people interpret these religious readings and use their common sense.
A true Muslim is a peaceful, hard working, genuine person. A terrorist claiming to be a Muslim and doing it in the name of their god is not a Muslim. They are scum and all they are doing is giving a bad name for the true Muslims out there.

 

[Englishman]

Sorry but i disagree with that. They will say they are muslim and doing it in the name of their god or the Koran but they are not. As said a few posts up, the Koran teaches some rather nasty stuff just like the bible and any other religious publication. The main point is how people interpret these religious readings and use their common sense.
A true Muslim is a peaceful, hard working, genuine person. A terrorist claiming to be a Muslim and doing it in the name of their god is not a Muslim. They are scum and all they are doing is giving a bad name for the true Muslims out there.

You may not class then as Muslim, and indicative of the Muslim faith, but they are practising Muslims and do it in the name or the Koran.

As many of us have said, we do not far all Muslims with the same brush, but there is a deafening silence from moderate Muslims, who don't agree with what these murdering piece of **** are doing, and in all honesty, there always has been.

 

[tex431]

You have no response as you follow left wing propaganda and don't know what you're talking about.

Sorry for the delay fellow Englishman I am in a different time zone and only on my iPhone. May be you could look at the bigger picture here and ask who actually funds these groups? Al Qaeda and the Islamic State (ISIS) are funded by the CIA. Look it up on the internet you don't need me to spell it out! Everything is to do with Money

 

[Hawk]

Let’s see if I understand this correctly...
-The Shoe Bomber was a Muslim
-The Beltway Snipers were Muslims
-The Fort Hood Shooter was a Muslim
-The underwear Bomber was a Muslim
-The U.S.S. Cole Bombers were Muslims
-The Madrid Train Bombers were Muslims
-The Bafi Nightclub Bombers were Muslims
-The London Subway Bombers were Muslims
-The Moscow Theater Attackers were Muslims
-The Boston Marathon Bombers were Muslims
-The Pan-Am flight #93 Bombers were Muslims
-The Air France Entebbe Hijackers were Muslims
-The Iranian Embassy Takeover, was by Muslims
-The Beirut U.S. Embassy bombers were Muslims
-The Libyan U.S. Embassy Attack was by Muslims
-The Buenos Aires Suicide Bombers were Muslims
-The Israeli Olympic Team Attackers were Muslims
-The Kenyan U.S, Embassy Bombers were Muslims
-The Saudi, Khobar Towers Bombers were Muslims
-The Beirut Marine Barracks bombers were Muslims
-The Besian Russian School Attackers were Muslims
-The first World Trade Center Bombers were Muslims
-The Bombay & Mumbai India Attackers were Muslims
-The Achille Lauro Cruise Ship Hijackers were Muslims
-The September 11th 2001 Airline Hijackers were Muslims
Think of it:
Buddhists living with Hindus = No Problem
Hindus living with Christians = No Problem
Hindus living with Jews = No Problem
Christians living with Shintos = No Problem
Shintos living with Confucians = No Problem
Confucians living with Baha'is = No Problem
Baha'is living with Jews = No Problem
Jews living with Atheists = No Problem
Atheists living with Buddhists = No Problem
Buddhists living with Sikhs = No Problem
Sikhs living with Hindus = No Problem
Hindus living with Baha'is = No Problem
Baha'is living with Christians = No Problem
Christians living with Jews = No Problem
Jews living with Buddhists = No Problem
Buddhists living with Shintos = No Problem
Shintos living with Atheists = No Problem
Atheists living with Confucians = No Problem
Confusians living with Hindus = No Problem
***WHEREAS...
Muslims living with Hindus = Problem
Muslims living with Buddhists = Problem
Muslims living with Christians = Problem
Muslims living with Jews = Problem
Muslims living with Sikhs = Problem
Muslims living with Baha'is = Problem
Muslims living with Shintos = Problem
Muslims living with Atheists = Problem
MUSLIMS LIVING WITH MUSLIMS = BIG PROBLEM
***SO THIS LEADS TO...
They're not happy in Gaza
They're not happy in Egypt
They're not happy in Libya
They're not happy in Morocco
They're not happy in Iran
They're not happy in Iraq
They're not happy in Yemen
They're not happy in Afghanistan
They're not happy in Pakistan
They're not happy in Syria
They're not happy in Lebanon
They're not happy in Nigeria
They're not happy in Kenya
They're not happy in Sudan
***So, where are they happy?...
They're happy in Australia
They're happy in England
They're happy in Belgium
They're happy in France
They're happy in Italy
They're happy in Germany
They're happy in Sweden
They're happy in the USA & Canada
They're happy in Norway & India
They're happy in almost every country that is not Islamic!
And who do they blame? Not Islam... Not their leadership... Not themselves...
THEY BLAME THE COUNTRIES THEY ARE HAPPY IN!!
And they want to change the countries they're happy in, to be like the countries they came from where they were unhappy and finally they will get hammered !!!!
Islamic Jihad: AN ISLAMIC TERROR DIRECTIVE
ISIS: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Al-Qaeda: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Taliban: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Hamas: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Hezbollah: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Boko Haram: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Al-Nusra: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Abu Sayyaf: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Al-Badr: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Muslim Brotherhood: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Lashkar-e-Taiba: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Palestine Liberation Front: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Ansaru: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Jemaah Islamiyah: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Abdullah Azzam Brigades: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION AND A LOT MORE !!!!!!!
I'm sorry, I'm completely stumped...... Any idea who's causing the problem???