Parliamentary Inquiry

[Guest123]

MPs to carry out an inquiry into the operation of the Building Regulations applying to electrical and gas installation and repairs in dwellings - News from Parliament - UK Parliament


About time.......perhaps.

 

[alarm man]

Maybe they have been reading the forum..:bobby:

 

[johnboy6083]

Very overdue! Is anyone here in a position to submit evidence? I may write a letter, saying how it frustrates me that I'm qualified install and to test and inspect large commercial and industrial installations, but I'm unable to wire a house without paying through the nose to notify. Even then, the council will note send anyone round because of my electrical qualifications.

Pi

 

[fuzzydunlop]

Very overdue! Is anyone here in a position to submit evidence? I may write a letter, saying how it frustrates me that I'm qualified install and to test and inspect large commercial and industrial installations, but I'm unable to wire a house without paying through the nose to notify. Even then, the council will note send anyone round because of my electrical qualifications.

Pi

Anyone can from the link
Written evidence addressing any or all of these issues, in accordance with the guidelines set out below, are invited by 5pm on Wednesday, 25 January 2012.
Each submission should:

1. be no more than 4,000 words in length;
2. begin with a short summary in bullet point form;
3. be in Word format with as little use of colour or logos as possible; and
4. be accompanied by a covering letter or email containing the name and contact details of the individual or organisation submitting evidence.

A copy of the submission should be sent by e-mail to [email protected] and marked "Building Regs".

Can this be made a sticky in the main forum then others can send in their rants/4000 word essays on the state of the industry

 

[Guest123]

Can this be made a sticky in the main forum then others can send in their rants/4000 word essays on the state of the industry

Absolutely.

 

[fuzzydunlop]

Absolutely.

cheers, actually knowing the nature of forums (and there are a lot of stickies) move it to the general for a week so pople can comment, then sticky it and maybe a submission can be are from the forum as a whole

 

[netblindpaul]

The submission would need to be from a reputable, known, recognisable, acknowledgeable, and reference-able source, for it to be recognised to be honest!
It will have to come from a known engineering institute, registered business organisation (such as NIC, ECA NAPIT etc., etc.) or a registered engineering professional in my experience for it to be recognised.

 

[fuzzydunlop]

The submission would need to be from a reputable, known, recognisable, acknowledgeable, and reference-able source, for it to be recognised to be honest!
It will have to come from a known engineering institute, registered business organisation (such as NIC, ECA NAPIT etc., etc.) or a registered engineering professional in my experience for it to be recognised.

No it doesn't. But, in any event most members on here would be recognisable be it from a scheme membership to a JIB recognised electrician.

It's Parliament, they do (despite not remembering) work for us

 

[johnboy6083]

The submission would need to be from a reputable, known, recognisable, acknowledgeable, and reference-able source, for it to be recognised to be honest!
It will have to come from a known engineering institute, registered business organisation (such as NIC, ECA NAPIT etc., etc.) or a registered engineering professional in my experience for it to be recognised.

If what you say is true Paul, then no wonder that nothing will change. I beleive that not many people qualified to the standards you mention have the in depth knowledge of the domestic industry to be able to make effective decisions. Most of the evidence presented will be presented by profitable organisations with vested interests. If things change for the better, then I'm all for it, but I'm not holding my breath.

 

[Guest123]

I've created another thread with an FW link to this one to gain a bit more coverage as I feel it's an important topic.

 

[netblindpaul]

No it doesn't. But, in any event most members on here would be recognisable be it from a scheme membership to a JIB recognised electrician.

It's Parliament, they do (despite not remembering) work for us

fuzzy,
I agree with you mate, but I doubt that it will be given ANY recognition if it is not as I describe!
Think about it, they only EVER recognise those they want to or are "forced" to!!!

 

[netblindpaul]

johnny,
Again you are correct, but I suspect my comments are still valid!

 

[fuzzydunlop]

If what you say is true Paul, then no wonder that nothing will change. I beleive that not many people qualified to the standards you mention have the in depth knowledge of the domestic industry to be able to make effective decisions. Most of the evidence presented will be presented by profitable organisations with vested interests. If things change for the better, then I'm all for it, but I'm not holding my breath.

It's not correct, anyone can submit but, you're correct that big businesses will make sure that their interests are seen over everyone else's. i.e NICEIC, ELECSA, NAPIT will try to keep the bar low to keep membership numbers/income high; City and Guilds will take the middle ground as they don't want to be seen churning out mickey mouse courses and the colleges will reap the benefits irrespective of the outcome (more stringent entry = higher course fees, lower entry more students etc)

If you feel really strongly you can also write to your MP and ask that he submits on your behalf as his constituent WriteToThem - Email or fax your Councillor, MP, MEP, MSP or Welsh, NI, London Assembly Member for free

 

[fuzzydunlop]

So come one people what are your gripes we have enough moaning on here.

Mine (and i'm not even fully qualified) is the ridiculously low method of entry to become a DI (not a dig and DI's but that is what they have been labelled as).

If I wanted i could become a DI tomorrow (have 2330 lvl 2/3, 17th and will be starting my NVQ3 workbook in the New Year) But realistically I know I'd be using the general public as a guinea pig and have more self respect than that. Unfortunately the way the systems operates now it doesn't work like that and you have people who are frankly dangerous working in the industry (as well as good ones)

On the other hand you have someone that is a JIB registered electrician (and yes I know even they have bad ones) cannot do works that someone whose sat down and done a 2hr exam with the answers in a book which is sitting in front of him (17th) can do, with ut joining to a scheme to prove "competency"

My answer is a license scheme to be brought into effect with a unified electrical contractors card with a one year probationary period for all. Then you're filtered out as to your qualifications

I'd be interested to see what the insurance industry think of the current position as in effect not only can "5 day wonders" work in domestic, they could also go and work in a commercial environment (again not a dig)

 

[Guest123]

So come one people what are your gripes we have enough moaning on here.

Mine (and i'm not even fully qualified) is the ridiculously low method of entry to become a DI

Surely this has to be the main & biggest gripe of all.

By passing an exam on how to look for keywords in a book, someone with no prior experience is deemed competent to install electrical systems in a domestic situation.

Part P needs addressing at source, the providers & the members. The cynic in me however, thinks that very little will change as it's become too much of a cash cow for those involved.