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Hi All,
as I'm newly qualified but not part of a 'competent persons' scheme yet, how do I get round the local council building department's certificate issue fee of ÂŁ230, having just fitted a new CCU in an old house?
All answers much appreciated!
Cheers, John R
 
Hi All,
as I'm newly qualified but not part of a 'competent persons' scheme yet, how do I get round the local council building department's certificate issue fee of ÂŁ230, having just fitted a new CCU in an old house?
All answers much appreciated!
Cheers, John R
You don't unless you want to use it for a scheme assessment although you should have consulted with LABC before starting. Not that I've ever done anything like that, can you see my halo from there?
 
I'm looking for the best way to approach this so do I get some other spark who is registered with, say, ELECSA to inspect the installation and submit installation cert to ELECSA, or is there another way to avoid dealing directly with the local building dept? Sorry, but I'm new to all this! Do all experienced sparks submit installation certs for every notifiable job they do??
 
Welcome to the forum.

If you have informed LABC in advance and told them what you were doing and had them inspect the installation as it progresses then you will have to pay the fee.
If you have done the installation without informing LABC at any point then you had best get registered with a scheme provider within 20 days of completing the installation and use this as your assessment job and self certificate once you are a scheme member, not strictly legal but you can do it.
 
For all notifiable jobs you must legally either notify LABC and pay the fee or self certify through a self certification scheme.
Getting another spark to sign off your work as his own is not recommended in any way and would put the other spark at risk of liability.

If the house is to be rented out then if it is through any sort of business there will usually be someone who will want to see the installation certificates and building control completion certificates before they can rent it out.
 
Thanks for the reply, Richard. The LABC does not know what I am doing - I only enquired as to what the procedure was with them. The problem is that I don't think my installation is good enough for use as an assessment job (even though it is quite safe) as the landlord is not prepared to pay for all the electrical work that ideally needs doing on the property, so do you think I can get another spark to self-certify it?
 
You are opening a can of worms here, only a disreputable spark would sign off some one else's work.
Possibly a bit harsh and I do not want to annoy anyone who does sign off other work, but it does mean that this person would be accepting, and signing for, the design, construction and installation of your work and legally stating on certifying that the work complies with the building regulations and that it is their work.
Not many people would be prepared to risk their company and risk prosecution for this purpose.

If you have only changed a CU then you are not responsible for the installation of the rest of the circuits, though they should be safe to be reconnected.

Really if the landlord is not prepared to pay for the work to be done this is probably why he chose you as you would not insist on legal compliance and might be prepared to arrange an alternative notification, as you are now.
Overall if you felt that this was not going to be safe then you should not have taken on the job, sorry, I know it can be difficult but this is the level of responsibility you are taking on.

Have a read of this guidance from the Electrical safety Council regarding changing a CU to give you more of an idea of what you should have done. Best practice guides : Electrical Safety Council
Guide 6 is for replacing a CU.

Regarding Building control you are now stuck since you have not complied with the prior notification requirements and there is not enough time to get registered with a scheme. Your best bet would be to try and get the landlord to agree to do the remedial works required for the safety of their tenants and consider the whole job as not completed until the rest is fixed and meanwhile arrange an assessment appointment with your chosen scheme, overall it will not cost much more registering with a scheme than notifying building control.
 
Thanks for the reply, Richard. The LABC does not know what I am doing - I only enquired as to what the procedure was with them. The problem is that I don't think my installation is good enough for use as an assessment job (even though it is quite safe) as the landlord is not prepared to pay for all the electrical work that ideally needs doing on the property, so do you think I can get another spark to self-certify it?
Every installation you do should be to assessment standard and SAFE!!! Not quite safe.

Have you done all the required testing. Correct sized tails, bonding, earthing etc or just thrown the CU in and turned it on?

Sorry if I sounds a bit harsh but your post doesn't fill me with confidence. I'm no angel but I go beyond quite safe.
 
Thanks again, Richard. Can of worms? Probably. For what it's worth, I am confident that another electrician would not have any issues with the actual work that I've done, as I'm fussy and connections, tails, earthing, RCDs, etc., have all been done/installed correctly (all main test results are well within spec but IR and new shower still to do). A much safer kitchen ring circuit is the only new one I've installed, that replaced the bodged job that was there before.
The LABC didn't tell me to inform them before doing any work, just to submit completed paperwork when job is done.
The landlord hasn't got a clue about electrical legal compliance and wouldn't care if he did! I will do a full EICR for him when everything is finished, but maybe he will have to say that the CU was already in when he bought the property? My work is definitely safe - it's just the extortionate cost of the Part P cert, and the other work that the landlord won't stump up for that is souring the patch.
I will check out the link for the CU changing guidance, in any case. Thanks for that.
Bottom line: I need to get registered with a scheme ASAP so I can self-certify.
Best regards to all who have submitted constructive/informative comments.
John
 
has the property had any major structural work for which planning involvement with the LABC was required. in that case, it's a different kettle of sushi. in these cases , it is common for the LABC to request a copy of your EIC, and you don't need to be a member of a scheme.
 

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