Discuss Part P electrician certifying non-part P electrician question (groan...) in the Electrical Wiring, Theories and Regulations area at ElectriciansForums.net
A Part P registered electrician is an electrician who is registered with one of the self certification schemes. These allow the electrician to provide notification of Building Regulations compliance of their own work by sending notification to their scheme provider. They do not permit notification of others work. If the electrician is part of a company, and is the qualified supervisor, then they can approve work done by their other non QS electricians.
Telling LABC that you will have an EICR done by a Part P registered electrician should ( but because they are not organised probably won't) cause them to inform you that you are breaking the law.
From April 2013 electricians can register as third party inspectors and do exactly what you describe; perform an EICR on third party work and have it approved.
Ah-ha. Looking up possible changed to Part P from April 2013:
Suitably trained and qualified members of Competent person schemes will in future be
permitted to certify the work of others who are not registered electricians, thereby by-
passing the building control body entirely. We envisage this will be on the basis of
inspection and testing of the finished installation and will not necessarily include an
inspection at first fix as assumed in the consultation stage Impact Assessment.
This is similar to what I'm to achieve. (Although my first fix cables are available for inspection.)
Thanks Richard. ""Telling LABC that you will have an EICR done by a Part P registered electrician should ( but because they are not organised probably won't) cause them to inform you that you are breaking the law."" AH, BUT I'M NOT GETTING THE ELECTRICIAN TO CERTIFY THE WORK, THEY ARE PROVIDING EVIDENCE OF COMPLIANCE TO LABC SO LABC CAN CERTIFY THE WORK VIA THE LARGER BUILDING CONTROL APPLICATION.
""From April 2013 electricians can register as third party inspectors and do exactly what you describe; perform an EICR on third party work and have it approved"". (OUR POSTS CROSSED - YES THIS SEEMS TO BE SO) ................ Cheers for everyone's help ...............................
"An installer who is not a registered competent person may use a registered third party to certify notifiable electrical installation work as an alternative to using a building control body"
So it looks like you can stay well away from the LABC :teeth_smile:
Sorry telectrix - PC went T/U for last hour. Yes the building work requires LABC; Yes I've raised Full Plans application (sim. to notice). However your last sentence "they should allow you to certificate the work" is obviously where this discussion centres around because it's not clear how, and mostly they don't ...
you prove competence by giving them a copy of your 2382, 2391. then they should tell you to do the work, self-certify it and give them a copy of the cert.
you prove competence by giving them a copy of your 2382, 2391. then they should tell you to do the work, self-certify it and give them a copy of the cert.
as other have suggested as your competent you can complete relevent certs and have already raised the job with them as part of a larger set of notifiable works so they will jsut charge you a overall fee for all the work and that will include your electrical installation works and you issue then with a copy and keep a copy of your EIC for the work you have designed , installed and inspected and tested as long as you have fully calibrated traceable test equipment
and if they ask for your competence then send them copies of your certificates then its upto them if they accept this or rewire anything further eg a 3rd party sent by then to I&T your work and or charge a fee
as far as completing a EICR formerly PIR yo can do that as anybody can as the only rewuirment for this is your competent and as you have stated you have 2391 then this goes a long way to proving your competence
also read up on new GN3 , elecys guide to building regs , BS7671 2008 amendment no 1 2011 (NEW GREEN COVER) and On site guide may be useful to you
if you get the electricians guide to building regs it will tell you regarding notification exactly what I and other s have told you
1 your either registered with a scheme Ie ELECSA / Napit or the other ones lol and notify your own work through your shceme
2 do the work inform LABC before complete cert give them copy show them Quals ring them and see if that will be ok and see if they want more dosh and or send someone to check your work as you are competent and complete certs etc
3 get a registered spark to do it for you
or DIY it then get LABC to send somoene to test
and giveyou final completion cert
or wait until april and get someone sign it off for you under new set of rules regarding part p
Or jsut do it and say nowt to no one lol but thats your choice not my recommendation
As tel and murdoch have said you have the 2381 and 2391 and if can test yourself should only need to show them a test certificate and pay them(from my past experience) about £60,if you were in there eyes not competent then they would send there own electrician in and charge between £250-500,i had to sign up to a scheme and done a consumer unit upgrade and used the job as an assessment,i had to pay local building control £60 and show them my quals which are nothing compared to you,they cant in my opinion make any further charge to you.tin hat on
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