Part P Notification

[pjwallis]

Hi

I am in the process of setting up my own electrical contracting business and i was wondering how you get round notifying work for Part P whilst the application goes through for a competent persons scheme.

Obviuously i could notify building control directly however the cost of this is astronomical.

Thanks

Paul

 

[Dan]

I'd give the Part P enquiry line a call on 0870 609 6093. Although I'm sure somebody will be able to give you advice on here soon enough. It's a pretty new community we have here so it's not the largest at the moment.

 

[LukeScotty]

If you are qualified and confident you will pass, just join elecsa, they'll let you notify all your jobs upto ur assessment once u passed

Not too sure what happens if u dont

 

[Andy M]

I have just joined the NIC(having spent some time of the tools working in training) and they insisted i pay the council to notify a consumer unit change at my own house!! it cost £100 plus VAT as this was to be my "major" for my assessment, When the NIC Engineer arrived it turned out to be another contractor in his own sign written van, He wasn't interested in looking at any paperwork and couldn't understand why i had paid the council. I explained a) his colleges at the NIC insisted i did and b) I was complying to the Law!! it sounds like Elecsa are applying a little common sense in this area.

Finally if you do go the NIC route prepare to write off the first 6 months of your membership, i have only just received my activation code in order to notify on line and i joined on 12th July.

Oh (you've got me started now) Don't have a baby whilst waiting for your assessment as i did the NIC charge £350 cancellation charge if you cancel within 14 days of assessment by their Engineer whoops i mean approved contractor whose sign written van sits outside your job while he assesses you. Luckily i postponed in time as baby arrived on the day the NIC was due. It didn't stop them writing a snotty "standard" letter stating that i had postponed at "relatively" short notice. Having phoned them on the day i received the appointment i did point out that maybe they had give me "relatively" short notice to prepare for assessment!!

And this is Finally don't worry about public liabilty insurance, complaints procedures and H&S policies as the "inspectors" look at that when they revisit in a year (correction 6 months)

 

[oxtonyxo]

I have just joined the NIC(having spent some time of the tools working in training) and they insisted i pay the council to notify a consumer unit change at my own house!! it cost £100 plus VAT as this was to be my "major" for my assessment, When the NIC Engineer arrived it turned out to be another contractor in his own sign written van, He wasn't interested in looking at any paperwork and couldn't understand why i had paid the council. I explained a) his colleges at the NIC insisted i did and b) I was complying to the Law!! it sounds like Elecsa are applying a little common sense in this area.

Finally if you do go the NIC route prepare to write off the first 6 months of your membership, i have only just received my activation code in order to notify on line and i joined on 12th July.

Oh (you've got me started now) Don't have a baby whilst waiting for your assessment as i did the NIC charge £350 cancellation charge if you cancel within 14 days of assessment by their Engineer whoops i mean approved contractor whose sign written van sits outside your job while he assesses you. Luckily i postponed in time as baby arrived on the day the NIC was due. It didn't stop them writing a snotty "standard" letter stating that i had postponed at "relatively" short notice. Having phoned them on the day i received the appointment i did point out that maybe they had give me "relatively" short notice to prepare for assessment!!

And this is Finally don't worry about public liabilty insurance, complaints procedures and H&S policies as the "inspectors" look at that when they revisit in a year (correction 6 months)

so all in all then your not impressed with the NIC
my company is in the process of doing this now wish he had never bothered

 

[Cirrus]

NIC seems to be leaving a lot of people unhappy at the moment. Quite a few peeps I know are moving over to NAPIT which is where I will be going in next 12 months

 

[Willymtee]

if your fully competent i.e 2330 level with 2391 t & i do u need to take part p as you are a fully competent person and under bs7671 there is no require ment for part p only knowledge/understanding of what it is and compliance.

or am i completely wrong ...

im just finishing my 2330 2391 now still an apprentice so be gentle ppl.

 

[Spudnik]

If i read correctly, you still need to register with a scheme provider to be able to notify your work, under Part P of the building regs.

Otherwise, you pay your LABC and they do the insp and test for you at a cost, usually £100+

 

[Willymtee]

its a joke ! how many more qualifactions do i need lol 2330 level 3 nvq and techinal cert , 17th edition , 2391, AM2 and i cant self certify

i know im new to the trade but for "proper" electricains part p is insulting

does anyone know where i can find where it says u need to be part p registered - like on a goverment website or anything

 

[Spudnik]

Technically there is no 'Part P course' or being 'Part P registered'.

You register with one of the schemes which enables you to comply with Part P of the building regs, which, in a nutshell enables you to notify your work as being compliant with BS7671.

You do not have to be registered at all and you can pay LABC their fees to have your work inspected and tested.

Problem is, it gets a bit expensive when you need to involve them in a job thats only worth £50.



Have a look here:

http://www.electriciansforums.net/e...ons/4299-competent-person-schemes-part-p.html

 

[Willymtee]

i recently attended a professional day at chalshalton techinal college and a Rep from the ECA was there and swore blind is the council charge you for inspecting your work you were basically being conned as they are oblidged to do it ,

any thoughts on this
or could it be different depending on the council body

 

[Spudnik]

Have a read through the link i gave.

This is such a grey area that most feel that registering is the easiest way out.

Its a fair argument at the moment.

 

[andyb]

its a joke ! how many more qualifactions do i need lol 2330 level 3 nvq and techinal cert , 17th edition , 2391, AM2 and i cant self certify

i know im new to the trade but for "proper" electricains part p is insulting

does anyone know where i can find where it says u need to be part p registered - like on a goverment website or anything

A lot of people miss the point of part P.
We are all qualified to various degrees, but these qualifications last forever and cannot be taken away.
Part P registration with all its faults (and I know there are many) is something that can be taken from you.
I passed my C&Gs in 1981 and according to a lot of members of this site they would be happy for me to trade off these until I retire saying that I'm fully qualified and that of course I can self certify.

Part P registration commits me to keeping up to date with with qualifactions and standards and is a route for me to be 'struck off' if I fall short of the standard.

You should look at part P as a professional body and sell the principle to clients and others, it's hard I know and there are a lot of problems, the cowboys will allways be out there and there is a cost.

But it is a step towards putting electricians on a profesional level and creating a trade where any Tom Dick or Harry cannot just pick up some tools and call themselves an electrician without breaking the law.

 

[fivestar]

In the same loop with regards notification before being assessed. When I contacted my council building control (Herefordshire) they said minimum charge was £170 + VAT !!! I have spoken to Elecsa and will be going down that route because a) you could talk to someone sensible on the phone b) Everyone seems realy ****** off with NIC.

 

[maddfridge]

A lot of people miss the point of part P.
We are all qualified to various degrees, but these qualifications last forever and cannot be taken away.
Part P registration with all its faults (and I know there are many) is something that can be taken from you.
I passed my C&Gs in 1981 and according to a lot of members of this site they would be happy for me to trade off these until I retire saying that I'm fully qualified and that of course I can self certify.

Part P registration commits me to keeping up to date with with qualification and standards and is a route for me to be 'struck off' if I fall short of the standard.

You should look at part P as a professional body and sell the principle to clients and others, it's hard I know and there are a lot of problems, the cowboys will always be out there and there is a cost.

But it is a step towards putting electricians on a professional level and creating a trade where any Tom Dick or Harry cannot just pick up some tools and call themselves an electrician without breaking the law.

hi there

i agree with some of what you say but where you say professional body that is the problem there are five bodies trying to be professional not just one ! so you have five ways pulling and the cowboys pushing in the gaps.

i personally work in commercial, but with the current economic times diy will become more and more prevalent who can afford 170 quid for labc Mr Diy will spend his money elsewhere if of course he has any ?

I have been asked many times to do house holders a favour and for me part p means sorry no can do

cheers