Part P Notification

[andyb]

Hi maddfridge
Thanks for your post, I said that are many faults with part P as it now stands and you point out an obvious flaw.
If as I say the strength of part P is that it regulates people like myself, where do people like you and other fully qualified electricians who work for companies fit in?
How do you control and regulate that?
Let’s have a debate on this from the point of view that some sort of control is needed.
To take the stance that I’m qualified and that’s enough renders this thread redundant and ends all debate on the subject.

 

[pigletvonpiggle]

i may be starting with a company that does solar heating, all they want me to do is test the immersion radial and do the odd bit of boiler work. they have asked me if im prepared to do part p. what do they mean. i am 17th edition trained,236 parts 1 and 2, am 1 and am2. and i have got my approved. what course will i need.

 

[jools p]

I recently had my assessment with Elecsa and used my own c/u as one of my jobs, the other was in a public building so wasn't part p.

I did not bother to notify the local authority as you have 30 days and this would come inside my assessment date.

My examiner didn't ask me about it anyway.

 

[Guest123]

i may be starting with a company that does solar heating, all they want me to do is test the immersion radial and do the odd bit of boiler work. they have asked me if im prepared to do part p. what do they mean. i am 17th edition trained,236 parts 1 and 2, am 1 and am2. and i have got my approved. what course will i need.

Hey.

Part P isn't a qualification it's a document within the building regs covering electricial installation in domestic premesis.

I think what your company are asking is if you would be prepared to join a part P scheme provider such as NICEIC, ELECSA, ECA, NAPIT etc so that you can self certify your own work without having to get LABC out to test and sign off for you.

It's a lot cheaper in the long run to self certify as LABC can charge anywhere between £100 - £200 for an inspection.

You can join a scheme provider straight away with the qualies that you have although some may insist on 2391 within 12 months.

Have a look here for more info.

http://www.electriciansforums.net/e...ons/4299-competent-person-schemes-part-p.html

Cheers.

 

[pigletvonpiggle]

cheers lenny, but should it not be the company that should be nic/eca etc as i will be on cards putting in there system.

 

[Guest123]

Hey.

Well I would have thought so, yes. But if none of them has any electricial qualifications to undertake the work you mention that falls under pert P then by law they cant, this is maybe why they want you to join a scheme.

I would discuss this thoroughly with them before agreeing to anything because at the end of the day it will be your name on any certs so any problems would fall on your shoulders.

Also the cost to join is between £400 - £600 will they be paying this for you??

 

[kung]

Hi all
The way i see it is its a money money money thing ! part of the group of hands that steal dosh from your wallet. If your a registered contractor with one of the schems then your not required for onsite assessment at application stage ! If your qualified then you should be qualified to sign off your work and allowed to ! its milking the system ! even if your domestic installer all 17 modules qualified that should be ok as to get the qualification your assessed and have to meet the requirements to get it even if there was a place/centre you could go and have a mock install etc at a reduced fee for qualified people. Were always going to get the cowboys in any trade buy its all to do with money money money ! I have qualifications bulging from my folder and cant do a cu besides the fact that ive changed more cu and full rewires for SEB and Council than i can remember at mo carnt afford the assessment ! house is going due to no work and get offered all this work but not worth getting LABC involved due to most small jobs. And most jobs are undercut by unqualified people signing on ! 2 autistic kids a wife and depts The system needs changing to stop these cowboys trading. More policing in this area need sorting and Niceic need to speed up for their customers !
Sorry for my winge i dont know what came over me ! its not on ! irll go for a coffee and calm down ! totally out of character !

 

[beekeeper]

Personaly i think that in some ways Part P registration is a load of ****, i did a five year apprenticship back in the 1960's and got paid a pittance for the privilege, and as far as i am concerned that gave me all the qualifications i needed to carry out my own electrical work anywhere i wished, so why should i have to go back to school to learn how to do a job i have been doing for fourty years, as a matter of interest i did anyway just as a refresher but when i go to one particular whoilesaler i see people who are obviously not trained in any electrical installation theory or practise whatsoever and are still doing work for themselves and maybe others, they have even turned to me for advice on how to connect something, so what is the point of this ridiculous rule.

Lets face it, a any decent electrician would want to do a job he was proud of and a job that was safe in all respects and as long as he was fully versed in the latest requirements he would be in no need of any futher regulation.

All Part P has done is create more problems than it has solved.

BK

 

[pigletvonpiggle]

i would like to know how much a domestic installer can do and how long will it be before that is the only qualification you will need to be a spark. people wont bother doing the 236 parts 1.2 or the am1 or am2.

 

[kung]

i would like to know how much a domestic installer can do and how long will it be before that is the only qualification you will need to be a spark. people wont bother doing the 236 parts 1.2 or the am1 or am2.

Hi Pigletvonpiggle
The domestic installer is for domestics only and their not sparks domestic installers only if they want to go sparky/approved contractor they need to be suitably qualified/exp.
Regards
Kung.

 

[pigletvonpiggle]

i am timed served,with 236,1 and 2 and nvq l3 which i class as fully trained as far as im concerned. but i just get a feeling that the way the trade is going domestic installer will become accepted. already in london you see mates on site doing price work on there own.

 

[kung]

Some guy around here fitting 12w cu's for £100 cash in hand ! should have saved my dosh and got a new car and went to pub for 5yrs !

 

[pigletvonpiggle]

Some guy around here fitting 12w cu's for £100 cash in hand ! should have saved my dosh and got a new car and went to pub for 5yrs !

if that is included in the price for the board then i will have to get his number.lol. but screwfix do a 10w dual rcd board fully loaded with10 double s/o and5 light pendants.

 

[kung]

No not inc board ive seen that it looks a good deal

 

[8181piv]

Hi Just had the same problem, local council refused sign off because i had no Third Party Professional Indemnity Insurance, i had to use a registered installer who had the relevent insrance cover to carry out a periodic inspection. I have just joined NAPIT and paid to fast track application all sorted in less than a week. Excellent service.