Part P or 2391

[ian.settle1]

Try reading Page 4 my friend

It clearly says "Installations DESIGNED after 30 June 2008 are to comply with BS7671:2008"

You could deisgn an installation in May, and install it in Sep to BS7671:2001 as ammended 2004.

You could start an installation in May, which would not be complete until Oct, this could also be done to the 16th

So these are two "certain circumstances" when you can still work to the 16th after 01 Jul

Regarding 2391, I am the training manager for a private training company, I deal with C&G on a daily basis, and also teach 2391 (as well as 2392). I have devoloved authority from C&G to independently authorise my own practical exam results for both 2392 and 2391 - and they dont give that away with a box of cornflakes!

You are being somewhat pedantic. By your reasoning, there has NEVER been a 2391 then! 2391, as with most C&G quals, have a number afterwards to differntiate between sub-quals. The point is it has ALWAYS had it, so there has never been a 'stand-alone' 2391 qual, it has always been 2391- (something)

The point is it does NOT need upgrading, as you have suggest earlier, and THAT is misleading people.

People have become confused because 2391 was changing to part of the 2392 series, but C&G quickly changed their minds, because of people like me standing up at their seminars complaining.

So people ended up thinking that 2392 was the 'new' 2391.

I have worked hard on this forum to let people know what is happening - 2392 is new, and is only level 2, 2391 is remaining unchanged (save the number change at the end) and no-one who is 2391 qualified is ALLOWED to upgrade their qual, never mind needs to!

Upgarding to a BS7671:2008 qual automatically upgrades your 2391 qual.

You appear to be trying to 'stamp your authority' here, but in my opinion you are not helping matters, in this this transitional period when there is a lot of heresay and conjencture out there

oh, and I would still like to know how someone would be in breach of the EAWR's??????

Well said Shakey it's not the first posting that this person has tried to say that only he is correct

 

[BAZHUT]

2391 Is The Only Way To Go,dont Go For A Lengthy Course Spread Out Over Numerous Weeks As You Will Forget So Much,do It Over A Four Day Course As This Is The Most Successful For Pass Marks I Have Found.

 

[Cirrus]

This is exactly what I am gonna do. The course local to me is over four days at just under £500

 

[Des 56]

£ 500 for the 4 day course (if it includes the exam ) is a lot cheaper than mine was 2 years ago
I paid almost £800
When I was taking the course for dec 06 exam the government decided to drop the electrics from the Hip
What a let down that was
Knowing my luck If I had failed they would have kept it in, just to make things awkward for me
Damn politicians
Just had a look at the 2391 certificate and it does have the numbers after it 2391-01
It was a nice feeling passing that exam but to be honest it has made no difference to my working life at all
But good luck to anybody taking it My experience of it was that a lot of hard work had to be put in, so to anybody attaining it You can be proud of yourselves

 

[Rob]

How much is the 2391 course at your place Shakey?

 

[a.walk]

yes Ian, the college told you, NOT C&G!!!!

most colleges follow this rule

i would not let students on my 2391 courses unless they had considerable regs experience and teat & inspect experience, but those are MY rules, not C&G!

the C&G 2391 qualification handbook specifically backs up what i have said, that it is RECCOMENDED that candidates have considerable knowledge of the wiring regs (but not the qual) and theres a reason for it

It is quite feasible that someone could apply to sit the 2391, but holds the EAL 17th edition wiring regs qual, if C&G insisted you had to have THEIR 17th edition qual (for example) then they would be effectively running a cartel

Shakey, does that mean that with having passed my 16-th edition 5 years ago I can still sit 2391 to the new 17-ed, because I was refused 2391 course in april because I was told by the college that I had to do the 17-ed course first, which is a pain for me because of the time it takes I want to go for a 12 weeks 2391 course asap, I am pretty confident with my inspection&testing knowledge although I want that 12 weeks course, because I know that these exams are not easy and I may need a refreshment.

a.walk

 

[securityvillage]

Reading this it looks as if our local college has made a mistake. They told me that the 2392 replaces the 2391 and I believed them. They offer a 17 week course level 3 Inspection, Testing and Certification of Electrical Installations and gives it the ref 2392. I've since read this thread and the C&G website, which does indeed confirm that the course I'm enrolled for is likely to be the 2391.

 

[Shakey]

Shakey, does that mean that with having passed my 16-th edition 5 years ago I can still sit 2391 to the new 17-ed, because I was refused 2391 course in april because I was told by the college that I had to do the 17-ed course first, which is a pain for me because of the time it takes I want to go for a 12 weeks 2391 course asap, I am pretty confident with my inspection&testing knowledge although I want that 12 weeks course, because I know that these exams are not easy and I may need a refreshment.

a.walk

well obviously, as the 2391 is 17th edition based you need to have a good knowledge of the 17th edition, but that doesnt mean do a 17th edition course.

If you are confident and competent in the use of the regs, then why not sit exam only, or just sit a 1 day refresher course, then sit the full 17th edition exam?

these are all options open to you, and might be worth exploring

 

[a.walk]

well obviously, as the 2391 is 17th edition based you need to have a good knowledge of the 17th edition, but that doesnt mean do a 17th edition course.

If you are confident and competent in the use of the regs, then why not sit exam only, or just sit a 1 day refresher course, then sit the full 17th edition exam?

these are all options open to you, and might be worth exploring

Well I am running a building company and I have a sparky who deals with all ECA things, but as we are getting smaller I think I would have to deal with it myself (I'm also a spark with 16-ed,), but I don't want to do a 3 mths of 17-th ed course, I already found one day update to 17-ed and 3 mths (12 weeks, one day a week) of inspection and testing. We do do electrics all the time and I am pretty up to date, although I also deal with other things in my company and that's why I thought I,d refresh myself specifically on inspection and testing.
I wonder why they don't do a 12 days in a row course? (or may be I am being too nervous) what do you think about those 3day full time courses? are they any good? For me it is more about preparing to the exam itself not about the Ohm or Kirchoff's Law.
What I also found is that surfing on this forum is pretty usefull, as some of you guys have really interesting things to say.
I've done a college and three years at uni (all to do with electrics and electronics) but sometimes you learn more by sharing your experience than reading the book.

 

[4x4 mark]

because of the credit crunch etc. and the slow down in the housing market, jobs that where expected to be completed now or on going have been closed or moth balled, as they where priced months ago they are still being installed to the 16th, sup. bonding in bath rooms etc.
all new work is being done to 17th and all work still on going by december next year has to change to 17th

 

[securityvillage]

Just been told that there arent enough people to run the course in September. Middlesbrougfh College dont have a tutor until Jan 2009 and Stockton Riverside havent got back to me yet. Lets hope I can get a course somewhere soon

 

[spamwize2]

hi alex i've heard a lot of people saying keep away from nic and go with napit is that because of the costs?