Part P & Testing

[KAS1]

To many cowboys they just take the money and run, he could still be asking question on this site for his next job lol QUOTE=CLB;687886]The householder is trying to sell the property and without an Installation Certificate he's having trouble getting it on the market. I'm not going to issue anything if it doesn't comply with the regs. Basically, he's been shafted by the original sparly who's buggered off. I know I can't channel the walls out and see if the cables are mechanically protected if they're not buried 50mm deep in the walls and I won't be able to lift the floorboards and inspect the cables under it. I will point out that although he's paid his money it's unfortunate that he hasn't been given the certs he's entitled to but if I find something that needs rectifying I won't be doing it for free. It's then up to him how he wants to proceed.
I don't know the circumstances of why the original sparky has disappeared but I suspect he hasn't done the tests he should have so he doesn't have the readings to issue the certs. I feel sorry for both the builder and the homeowner and they've both been shafted by this rogue sparky. Thanks for you input guys, I now know what I can and cannot do, I just wanted to check to be sure.[/QUOTE]

 

[ruston]

The householder is trying to sell the property and without an Installation Certificate he's having trouble getting it on the market. I'm not going to issue anything if it doesn't comply with the regs. Basically, he's been shafted by the original sparly who's buggered off. I know I can't channel the walls out and see if the cables are mechanically protected if they're not buried 50mm deep in the walls and I won't be able to lift the floorboards and inspect the cables under it. I will point out that although he's paid his money it's unfortunate that he hasn't been given the certs he's entitled to but if I find something that needs rectifying I won't be doing it for free. It's then up to him how he wants to proceed.
I don't know the circumstances of why the original sparky has disappeared but I suspect he hasn't done the tests he should have so he doesn't have the readings to issue the certs. I feel sorry for both the builder and the homeowner and they've both been shafted by this rogue sparky. Thanks for you input guys, I now know what I can and cannot do, I just wanted to check to be sure.

If you test it and it is satisfactory, then a surveyor or parties concerned may accept this as evidence of compliance with BS7671. If they are trying to satisfy Building control , this could be a different matter.

If you know you are competent then, as has been said you do not need 2391 to do an eicr, just go ahead and test it and report on what you find .The outcome of your results is up to the person ordering the work to sort out.

 

[KAS1]

A lot of people are getting refused a mortgage on properties without the correct certs

You don't need any electrical certification to get a house on the market or to sell it. It may be the case that some buyers won't go through with a sale on a property with uncertified work, but they are probably more likely to haggle on price given that the vast majority of houses have no, or only limited certification of the electrical installation.

 

[ruston]

A lot of people are getting refused a mortgage on properties without the correct certs

Originally Posted by whitestu
You don't need any electrical certification to get a house on the market or to sell it. It may be the case that some buyers won't go through with a sale on a property with uncertified work, but they are probably more likely to haggle on price given that the vast majority of houses have no, or only limited certification of the electrical installation.




Both statements here are accurate , a lot of estate agent and buyers are asking for all the relevant certificates now though.

 

[Geoffsd]

You will need (or best to have) Professional Indemnity Insurance as opposed to Public Liability Insurance for your own work.

 

[CLB]

You will need (or best to have) Professional Indemnity Insurance as opposed to Public Liability Insurance for your own work.

I'm Elecsa registered and their stipulation was for £2m of public liability ins. which is what I've got.

 

[bigbaddave]

I'm Elecsa registered and their stipulation was for £2m of public liability ins. which is what I've got.

Thats you call then, However there is not a hope in hell id be issuing a EIC for somebody else's work. For Example. What would happen if the cables are not in the correct zones and the next homeowner puts a nail through the cable the RCD fails and they die.. Your signing to say its your work and if it end up in court well..

I know this is the worst case scenario but as i say i will allways only give a cert for work i have done. I did do a unfinished house once where everything had been wired, Just required second fix and board and test. Issued EIC however clearly stated that the existing wiring was already there and therefore only responsible for the work i have installed

 

[CLB]

Thats you call then, However there is not a hope in hell id be issuing a EIC for somebody else's work. For Example. What would happen if the cables are not in the correct zones and the next homeowner puts a nail through the cable the RCD fails and they die.. Your signing to say its your work and if it end up in court well..

I know this is the worst case scenario but as i say i will allways only give a cert for work i have done. I did do a unfinished house once where everything had been wired, Just required second fix and board and test. Issued EIC however clearly stated that the existing wiring was already there and therefore only responsible for the work i have installed

That's what I'm thinking tbh. It won't do the homeowner any good for me to go and give him an EICR if he needs and Installation Cert. I'm not putting my rep on the line for someone else's work. I'll have to advise him he needs a 2391 sparks to test & inspect it who can give him the cert he needs.
Time to walk away from this one methinks.

 

[Rampantchilli]

You DO NOT NEED 2391 to issue ANY certificates

 

[CLB]

You DO NOT NEED 2391 to issue ANY certificates

Even if it's for someone else's work you haven't overseen? That was my understanding of what 2391 was/is.

 

[chrish_1977]

Part P & Testing

I think you should have 2391 to issue certs (here goes the cat amongst the pigeons) IMO of course

 

[Geoffsd]

Re: Part P & Testing

I think you should have 2391 to issue certs (here goes the cat amongst the pigeons) IMO of course

Yes, you 'should' - but you don't.


CLB - As for insurance -

Elecsa require you to have PL to 'join' (or be allowed to pay).

But you need PI to cover you doing EICRs.

 

[Rampantchilli]

Even if it's for someone else's work you haven't overseen? That was my understanding of what 2391 was/is.

not even for that, in fact im currently awaiting for my assessment for Qualified Supervisor, for which i only need my 17th ed cert not even my 2391, i couldnt understand that at all, as ill be counter signing around 40-60 certs a week

 

[Heisenberg]

I'm Elecsa registered and their stipulation was for £2m of public liability ins. which is what I've got.

That will only cover you for things like somebody tripping over your toolbag and breaking their neck. What Geoff is referring to is to cover you from being sued due to giving out poor advice or not actually doing the job properly. Given that, you may find it hard to get a decent quote if you intend on doing EICRs and don't have a 2391 or it's replacement equivalent. No insurer is going to cover you if all they have to go on is you saying you are competent, they will want to see something concrete.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Part P does not cover inspecting and testing.
Part P only covers electrical installation work.
Napit only insist that you have public liability, I assume because you are a member of their Part P scheme, which by virtue of being Part P does not cover Inspections and Testing of existing installations.
However I feel fairly certain that if you were to join their scheme for Insprction and Testing, they would insist you have professional indemnity.