Pat testing

[sparks1973]

Hi, The way to tell if something is Class 1 or Class 2 is to look for the 'square box' symbol. If you see that symbol then it's Class 2, if not then you must treat it as a Class 1.

Extension leads should ALWAYS be made of 3 core cable, and will need testing for Earth Bond and Insulation. Most PAT Testers also have the facility to do a Polarity test as well.

When testing a kettle the best place to get a good earth is the element. If it's a solid base kettle then try putting a screwdriver onto the base and putting the clip onto that.

If your PAT Tester doesn't have a facility for testing extension leads (all the modern ones do) then another option is to carry out the earth and insulation tests on the kettle, then plug that into the end of the extension lead and do the same tests again. You might get a slightly higher earth bond reading, dependent on the length of the cable.

Hope this helps!

Tim

and if theres no evidence of the double square logo....or your unsure/can`t confirm/not verefied that an item is either class 1 or 2.....then treat it as class 1...

 

[Brightspark2]

Unplug the IEC lead and test that then check the monitor/tower for damage...

Sent from my Xperia S using next doors WIFI.

 

[stoneworld]

Yep you should have done earth and IR tests

if it was hard wired into an isolator I would not class it as portable. that's part of the fixed instalation.

 

[oldtimer]

if it was hard wired into an isolator I would not class it as portable. that's part of the fixed instalation.

Emm no its not, a fixed appliance comes under ISI&TEE formally PAT a fixed installation stops at the socket /FCU/DP isolator thats what is causing a lot of bother within PAT as guys who are PAT trained and not electricians are not authorised to go into FCUs and DP isolators so the urban myth of if it aint got a plug top on it you dont PAT test well thats just plain wrong if its electrical equipment no matter how its wired then it supposed to be PAT tested.

Just to add storage heaters , ovens, hoods, come under ISI&TEE

 

[stoneworld]

Emm no its not, a fixed appliance comes under ISI&TEE formally PAT a fixed installation stops at the socket /FCU/DP isolator thats what is causing a lot of bother within PAT as guys who are PAT trained and not electricians are not authorised to go into FCUs and DP isolators so the urban myth of if it aint got a plug top on it you dont PAT test well thats just plain wrong if its electrical equipment no matter how its wired then it supposed to be PAT tested.

Just to add storage heaters , ovens, hoods, come under ISI&TEE

Yes point taken and I don't disagree but as a PAT service it stops at the Plug for me. I'm happy to test hard wired items with my safeblock but not at normal rates!

 

[oldtimer]

Yes point taken and I don't disagree but as a PAT service it stops at the Plug for me. I'm happy to test hard wired items with my safeblock but not at normal rates!

Just be aware that the "You only need to test anything with a plug top on it " approach is no excuse in a court of law as you are the "legally compitent person" so you aint got a get out of jail card like Joe Public who will claim ignorance and stating the fixed equipment is a part of the fixed wiring is deception so be aware

 

[stoneworld]

Just be aware that the "You only need to test anything with a plug top on it " approach is no excuse in a court of law as you are the "legally compitent person" so you aint got a get out of jail card like Joe Public who will claim ignorance and stating the fixed equipment is a part of the fixed wiring is deception so be aware

I take your point but hope I am covered with my agreement with the customer that says only appliances that are connected to the fixed installation by way of a plug will be tested.
I'm happy to test the rest but not at the agreed plug in rate.

 

[i=p/u]

its a grey area, when i dont the course , i remember the guy saying anyone can do the course but only test the fues spur connections off the installation if competent and trained todo so..


it wasnt a clear cut answer

 

[oldtimer]

Well the lecturer on my course did not mince his words and he feeds into the bods that oversee this and it was fixed wiring comes under I&T All electrical equipment whether hard wired in or plug topped comes under ISI&TEE (PAT).

As he said this is causing problems as PAT specialists are saying plug top only the COP says otherwise so whats the problem I hear you say well equipment hard wired in cannot be tested by PAT trained guys only electricians are compitent to do so so again whats the problem well he reckons ISI&TEE will need a relaunch because of the word PAT infers that it is only portable equipment that need tested
also built in equipment is being ignored along with storage and wall convector heaters .

I had this problem this week but got around it by making up a lead to test the equipment via the DP switch above the worktop. I asked why not give the PAT guy more training but he said no you cannot do that and that they can no longer ignore fixed appliances so I think the new ISI&TEE COP is coming out at the end of the year so look out for a promotion

PS IPU I am not telling you how I made the lead up so this is a trade test for you on how I did it

 

[i=p/u]

plugtop , flex and wago and hit the button baby

 

[oldtimer]

plugtop , flex and wago and hit the button baby

Naa a kewtech R1+R2 plug top and your leads from your MFT BABY

Deary Dear

 

[i=p/u]

Very innovative of you chap.....

 

[drew35]

Just to add storage heaters , ovens, hoods, come under ISI&TEE[/QUOTE]

I do those plus electric showers, and central heating boilers. Am I going OTT???

 

[i=p/u]

Yes drew take a week off....

 

[ohreally]

I do those plus electric showers, and central heating boilers. Am I going OTT???

Given the shower will be supplied by means of cable, then yes i would say so.

Boilers, I'd be wary of damaging a board with that one.