Pathetic.

[markc123]

TEACHERS THAT STRIKE ARE F'ING PATHETIC, GET A GRIP OF YOUR LIFES YOU SAD PATHETIC TW*TS AND STOP THINKING YOU'RE ABOVE EVERYONE ELSE!

you're on holiday most of the f'ing time, what more do you want.

Try grafting like us tradesmen, we can't go on strike. get a grip, seriouslly.

rant over, let the war begin because im sure there are some people on here who think the strike is for good reason......speak up

 

[Gavin A]

definitely best to just sit there and let the tories destroy / privatise every last thing that used to make the UK a fairer, better place to live than the states for those not able to pay privately for education, health care, social care, pensions etc etc

don't rock the boat eh

 

[a1colly]

So harsh mate, you shouldn't put them in their own bracket. All public workers over the past 24 months! Lets take them all out into the real world for a week!!!!

 

[Octopus]

TEACHERS THAT STRIKE ARE F'ING PATHETIC, GET A GRIP OF YOUR LIFES YOU SAD PATHETIC TW*TS AND STOP THINKING YOU'RE ABOVE EVERYONE ELSE!

you're on holiday most of the f'ing time, what more do you want.

Try grafting like us tradesmen, we can't go on strike. get a grip, seriouslly.

rant over, let the war begin because im sure there are some people on here who think the strike is for good reason......speak up

I want to know why fire fighters get on their high horse so often. Most of them round here do a "night" shift down the fire station, then go off and do their own SE job every day.......

 

[ferg]

I worked for local government for a while.

The last strike action while I was there was over final salary pensions.

I was saved the embarassment of not striking due to the fact that I was in a 'critical' job and not required to strike.

Final salary pensions are and always have been BS. Just before someone retires they get a promotion....

 

[Mr Hehound]

TEACHERS THAT STRIKE ARE F'ING PATHETIC, GET A GRIP OF YOUR LIFES YOU SAD PATHETIC TW*TS AND STOP THINKING YOU'RE ABOVE EVERYONE ELSE!

you're on holiday most of the f'ing time, what more do you want.

Try grafting like us tradesmen, we can't go on strike. get a grip, seriouslly.

rant over, let the war begin because im sure there are some people on here who think the strike is for good reason......speak up

Both my mum and dad were teachers mate.

I can speak from experience that it was not the 9-5 job with endless holidays that people think it is.

It pretty much killed my dad and my mum often worked from 6am to 11pm taking into account marking, lesson planning, redoing lesson planning when the sylabus changed (constantly), dealing with nut bag kids and their even nuttier (scumbag) parents.

I have some sympathy and would rather do what I do than what they did, regardless of how crappy the construction industry is at the moment.

 

[moospark]

TEACHERS THAT STRIKE ARE F'ING PATHETIC, GET A GRIP OF YOUR LIFES YOU SAD PATHETIC TW*TS AND STOP THINKING YOU'RE ABOVE EVERYONE ELSE!

you're on holiday most of the f'ing time, what more do you want.

Try grafting like us tradesmen, we can't go on strike. get a grip, seriouslly.

rant over, let the war begin because im sure there are some people on here who think the strike is for good reason......speak up

Dead right, but some dafty on the local news said "why don't they go on strike during the holidays?"

 

[markc123]

Both my mum and dad were teachers mate.

I can speak from experience that it was not the 9-5 job with endless holidays that people think it is.

It pretty much killed my dad and my mum often worked from 6am to 11pm taking into account marking, lesson planning, redoing lesson planning when the sylabus changed (constantly), dealing with nut bag kids and their even nuttier (scumbag) parents.

I have some sympathy and would rather do what I do than what they did, regardless of how crappy the construction industry is at the moment.

In context, i can't see how thats different from an electrician.

We work 6am - 11pm, sometimes later call outs if you're covering special events.

And that's just the lucky ones....some spark's struggle for work and have to live off savings and odd jobs - teachers have at least a regular wage.

The sylabus changing you can relate to the regs changing.

I'll give you the scumbag kids, but then again - you can go to awkward clients houses that try and rob and decieve you.

We don't strike do we, we realise we have ---- days / we realise times are hard, but we just man through it.

No i don't know all the in's and out's, and it's not just a dig at the teachers its a dig at everyone that strikes. Be thankful you have a job in todays climate and stop wanting everything you're own way - life deals ---- hands at times, and you've just gotta sit there and lap it up.

 

[not clever]

Well don't tar all the teachers (or firefighters for that matter) with the same brush.......
Not all agree with or are taking part in any strike action even though they are in the unions.

Out of interest do you know why the firefighters are taking industrial action?

Markc you could always giveup your hard graft tradesman work & go into the class as a TA for a cushy life or you could even join your fire-brigade as a EFC member and cover the strike days as a Electrical Trainee fire fighter.

 

[ferg]

I can see both sides of this argument.

Teachers don't have it as easy as some people think.

However 'some people' think that
all doctors earn 300K
Teachers only work from 9-3:30 a few weeks a year.
Sparks are better off than teachers and doctors.
Plumbers drive brand new mercs.
Everyone who works for the council retires on a 'Golden handshake'
IT guys all earn 75K +
Anyone who gets a bonus from a bank is a billionaire.


In reality most of us are just getting by paying our mortgage, rent and student / appreniceship debt.

If the grass is greener then why are so many people switching careers..


Just my wee rant

 

[markc123]

Electrical Trainee fire fighter lol? What does that involve? I haven't used a water pistol in a while, sounds fun, where do i sign up?

True about tieing all teachers and that together, many don't strike. I wasn't even aiming this rant at just teachers, just the general population of strikers.

No idea why the fire fighters are taking industrial action.

 

[Mr Hehound]

Both my mum and dad were teachers mate.

I can speak from experience that it was not the 9-5 job with endless holidays that people think it is.

It pretty much killed my dad and my mum often worked from 6am to 11pm taking into account marking, lesson planning, redoing lesson planning when the sylabus changed (constantly), dealing with nut bag kids and their even nuttier (scumbag) parents.

I have some sympathy and would rather do what I do than what they did, regardless of how crappy the construction industry is at the moment.

In context, i can't see how thats different from an electrician.

We work 6am - 11pm, sometimes later call outs if you're covering special events.

And that's just the lucky ones....some spark's struggle for work and have to live off savings and odd jobs - teachers have at least a regular wage.

The sylabus changing you can relate to the regs changing.

I'll give you the scumbag kids, but then again - you can go to awkward clients houses that try and rob and decieve you.

We don't strike do we, we realise we have ---- days / we realise times are hard, but we just man through it.

No i don't know all the in's and out's, and it's not just a dig at the teachers its a dig at everyone that strikes. Be thankful you have a job in todays climate and stop wanting everything you're own way - life deals ---- hands at times, and you've just gotta sit there and lap it up.

Not saying it is different Mark. If Unionised I'd support any Sparks right to strike as well.

Just saying (because the usual argument is that 'the f★★★★★s only work from 9-3 every day, have 50 out of every 52 weeks off on holiday sunning themselves and reading the Guardian, while planning how to make make parents lives harder and ensuring kids can't read and write unless it's on a mobile phone in text speak) that isn't how it really is.

I mean no offence and am by no means a Socialist Worker nutter.

 

[markc123]

That's the problem - if we wanted to strike (i don't) we couldn't anyway, especially if SE. It's literally impossible.

I got annoyed watching the news, didn't really intend this thread to go this deep. I appologise if i've offended you Mr Hehound.

 

[Mr Hehound]

You haven't mate. I just love a good rant.

 

[dan86]

Both my mum and dad were teachers mate.

I can speak from experience that it was not the 9-5 job with endless holidays that people think it is.

It pretty much killed my dad and my mum often worked from 6am to 11pm taking into account marking, lesson planning, redoing lesson planning when the sylabus changed (constantly), dealing with nut bag kids and their even nuttier (scumbag) parents.

agree with that. my step dad is a teacher.has been for over 27 years.
now, I've worked bloody hard to get to where I am today. often doing very long days, 7 day weeks etc, but my dad always seems to have this going on too. now he doesnt complain and had never striked. doesn't see the point or what it will achieve. same as me.

not sure how this fits in with everyone else's views, but just my input

 

[Spoon]

A bit of a stupid thread, but I like stupid (its friday and going home in a few hours) so I will join in...
To start off with. Most teachers work very hard. I know a few and they dont get load of time off.
What is wrong with having the right to strike? You think that you should take that away from the workers so that they can get walked over even more?
Some of you guys work really long hours and work really hard... That is not a really bad thing. I work in an office and im sure quite a few would hate to do that. I enjoy working 7:30 to 4 and finishing early on Fridays. I get time to be with my kids and missus. That is what is important to me..
I have striked in the past...many moons ago.. it stopped us getting a really cr*p deal and the management taking things off us...

 

[Newbyspark]

Blimey. Everyone chooses what career they want to follow. Self employed, teachers, firefighters ect. Why do you think it's fair that a contract that you sign up to, a pension that you sign up you should be changed half way through your career. You would certainly be ****ed off if you signed a contract and suddenly they decided to pay you half, or double the length for no extra money. If you get a ****ty job you can walk away, people in the public sector cannot walk straight to another job. Teachers basically look after our kids for 12 + years while you work, don't get paid a fortune and only get holidays at the most expensive time of year. I'd like to see you look after 30 unruly kids at 68 years old. ( Yes my wife is a teacher and I see how hard she works everyday ). Don't blame public sector workers for defending their contracts and work conditions. Rant over.

 

[stuartcourt]

Its simple, the private sector changes with the times as it happens, if you are not happy you have to go or are sacked. The public sector does not want to change (and you cant blame them if its for the worst) but if it does not this country is going to go under THERE IS NO MORE MONEY FOR BIG PENSIONS ETC.

 

[Newbyspark]

Just to add one more thing. Did you know that firefighters pay around 12% of their salary into their pension. It's not like they get it for nothing.

 

[Octopus]

Just to add one more thing. Did you know that firefighters pay around 12% of their salaryinto their pension. It's not like they get it for nothing.

Yup!

They pay in so little compared to what they will get out.

If you don't believe me, go and see a financial advisor, ask for a final salary, index linked pension and that you can pay 12% of you salary and see what they off you........ you won't get much in return, believe me.

 

[markc123]

Blimey. Everyone chooses what career they want to follow. Self employed, teachers, firefighters ect. Why do you think it's fair that a contract that you sign up to, a pension that you sign up you should be changed half way through your career. You would certainly be ****ed off if you signed a contract and suddenly they decided to pay you half, or double the length for no extra money. If you get a ****ty job you can walk away, people in the public sector cannot walk straight to another job. Teachers basically look after our kids for 12 + years while you work, don't get paid a fortune and only get holidays at the most expensive time of year. I'd like to see you look after 30 unruly kids at 68 years old. ( Yes my wife is a teacher and I see how hard she works everyday ). Don't blame public sector workers for defending their contracts and work conditions. Rant over.

Contracts get changed all the time....the current account i signed up to isn't the same i've got now. (remembering the days of 5% interest lol ) My vodafone contract isn't the same as i signed up too.... Different to a working situation i know, but contracts do change - it's not right, i agree, but it happens.

At least they get holidays, you try take a holiday whilst being SE - phone goes off whilst sat lazing around a pool "no i can't make it" customer finds someone else, and they stick with them...not so bad if it's a one off payment, but if a hotel or something rings you up it's a terrible feeling.

Why can't people in the public sector walk into another job? They're not been forced to work are they...They don't want to walk into another job thats the problem, they want to stay in the public sector so you've gotta roll with the times.

I don't want to look after 30 unruly kids, hense the reason of not becoming a teacher. You can't use that as an excuse, every single person going in to teaching knows what they're throwing themselves in to.

I understand people defending the teaching union when it's close to the hearts, but if you look at it from an unbiased perspective, you'll see the points of views of all of us who graft our balls off....

get dealt the ---- hand - get non-paying customers - have contracts fall through - have employees steal work from you - have so called mates give work to other contractors ect...

Life isn't always fair, you just gotta take the ---- times and compare them againts the good - it's life.

This thread has gone far too deep now lol. But disagreements are what makes life so intersting. I do see why the teachers are striking to be fair, i just don't like the idea of striking, think its scummy to be honest.

 

[MDJ]

Both my mum and dad were teachers mate.

I can speak from experience that it was not the 9-5 job with endless holidays that people think it is.

It pretty much killed my dad and my mum often worked from 6am to 11pm taking into account marking, lesson planning, redoing lesson planning when the sylabus changed (constantly), dealing with nut bag kids and their even nuttier (scumbag) parents.

I have some sympathy and would rather do what I do than what they did, regardless of how crappy the construction industry is at the moment.

It is not just that either, to add, regarding their pensions, they have to pay more for longer for less, end of

 

[shanky887614]

Contracts get changed all the time....the current account i signed up to isn't the same i've got now. (remembering the days of 5% interest lol ) My vodafone contract isn't the same as i signed up too.... Different to a working situation i know, but contracts do change - it's not right, i agree, but it happens.

At least they get holidays, you try take a holiday whilst being SE - phone goes off whilst sat lazing around a pool "no i can't make it" customer finds someone else, and they stick with them...not so bad if it's a one off payment, but if a hotel or something rings you up it's a terrible feeling.

Why can't people in the public sector walk into another job? They're not been forced to work are they...They don't want to walk into another job thats the problem, they want to stay in the public sector so you've gotta roll with the times.

I don't want to look after 30 unruly kids, hense the reason of not becoming a teacher. You can't use that as an excuse, every single person going in to teaching knows what they're throwing themselves in to.

I understand people defending the teaching union when it's close to the hearts, but if you look at it from an unbiased perspective, you'll see the points of views of all of us who graft our balls off....

get dealt the ---- hand - get non-paying customers - have contracts fall through - have employees steal work from you - have so called mates give work to other contractors ect...

Life isn't always fair, you just gotta take the ---- times and compare them againts the good - it's life.

This thread has gone far too deep now lol. But disagreements are what makes life so intersting. I do see why the teachers are striking to be fair, i just don't like the idea of striking, think its scummy to be honest.

My vodaphone contract changed. I unlimited mins,txts and 2gb for 35 month from 32 a month for less

 

[Newbyspark]

Just to add one more thing. Did you know that firefighters pay around 12% of their salaryinto their pension. It's not like they get it for nothing.

Yup!

They pay in so little compared to what they will get out.

If you don't believe me, go and see a financial advisor, ask for a final salary, index linked pension and that you can pay 12% of you salary and see what they off you........ you won't get much in return, believe me.

How does over £300 a month for 40 years sound to you. I make it about £140000 they will have to pay into their pension. How good do you think the pension is.

 

[Octopus]

How does over £300 a month for 40 years sound to you. I make it about £140000 they will have to pay into their pension. How good do you think the pension is.

So £140K into a money purchase = £4500 per £100K = 1.4 x 4.5 = £6300 per year and not index linked

So go and ask a competent Independent Financial Advisor if you don't believe me.

ALL Public sector final salary pensions pay out far, far more than the people contribute.

 

[Dcf]

How does over £300 a month for 40 years sound to you. I make it about £140000 they will have to pay into their pension. How good do you think the pension is.

Hmmm sounds better than mine at currently 350 a month.
I'm just back from a weeks holiday.i don't get 9 weeks a year .ive had a week all year.
i still have to deal with the general day to day ****e when I'm away.
this is the path I've chosen so I'll just grin and bare it.
if the public sector workers are so unhappy with their lot why not go and get another job?
it happens in the private sector all the time so what makes them so special?
there is a big storm brewing up north over the Grangemouth refinery at the moment.
basic story. Unite rep caught up to no good. Rep suspended. Strike action threatened.refinery owners say plant is losing 10m a month and will shut the plant.
War of attrition starts.
end result will be no winners.
public sector pay used to be lower than the private sector with bigger pensions etc though.
now it's higher pay and a lot bigger pensions.
somethings got to give.

 

[Newbyspark]

Not wanting to rant on, it's just my brother is a fireman and wife a teacher so have a good insight to what they're fighting for. It may seem to many that they are greedy, striking is the only option they have when the gov won't even talk about it. They definitely are not well off like it's made out. Any way time to agree to disagree. rantoversmile.

 

[Octopus]

Not wanting to rant on, it's just my brother is a fireman and wife a teacher so have a good insight to what they're fighting for. It may seem to many that they are greedy, striking is the only option they have when the gov won't even talk about it. They definitely are not well off like it's made out. Any way time to agree to disagree. rantoversmile.

Yup and my wife works for the NHS and I completely understand how little they pay in for what they get out.

The UK had pensions the world was envious about FOR all who saved until one Mr Gordon Brown raided the private pensions.

 

[londonfire]

Why is it always a race to the bottom in this country?

If you look at the union strength in Australia they have much better working rights. As all the trades have strong unions that fight for workers rights.

We have a hard time because we let politicians walk all over us.

 

[tidyboiler]

Australia have got it right on most counts. I have relatives over there who say you have more chance of ******** the Pope than getting in there. Unlike the UK they are very fussy who make it into their country, and their politicians listen to the people far more than the freaks over here do.

 

[D Skelton]

I'm sure by my signature alone most can probably tell what my stance is on strikes and how I believe they are a neccassary part of a society that willfully allows our government to bend us over daily and violently shaft us up the brown!!

Thatcher did more damage to this country than we will ever be able to recover from by breaking the power of the unions! They are all we once had to ensure a good days pay for a good days work.

Granted Scargill was a pompous prat, but Thatcher was the devil in human form!!!

 

[telectrix]

partially agree with you there, but when thatcher came to power, the unions (not those that had the best interests of their members as an agenda) were holding the country to ransom. i remember rubbish piled on the streets because dustmen wanted more wages than us sparks. and they knock off at lunch time.