Peoples thoughts

[a1guvner]

Just wanted to see peoples thoughts on the UK having a licence system with different classes for sparks, would it be a tool for making unlicenced work easier for the idiots or could it raise standards and make it easier for customers to understand like the Electrical Trainee not being a very high class grade

 

[Octopus]

Waste of time, like Part P

No one to enforce it, bodies with no teeth - just taking the money.

 

[Mr.Si]

The JIB have a grading system already don't they? Thing is, it's not used properly and Part P got more "umph" as it was government "founded".

Shame.

 

[oldtimer]

Just wanted to see peoples thoughts on the UK having a licence system with different classes for sparks, would it be a tool for making unlicenced work easier for the idiots or could it raise standards and make it easier for customers to understand like the Electrical Trainee not being a very high class grade

You say licenced but europe already has this and before any Euro sceptics start shouting little Britian this is the very thing how we are being shafted by our own government in Germany and France my understanding is if you are caught useing a no licenced trader I did a job for a couple who just came back from Germany where it is frowned upon if you get a cash job and if you do the authorities fine the customer and also gets them to pay for the tax loss so we are never going to have a workable system because there are too many fingers in the pie as far as I am concerned all electrician should be graded and registered with the JIB or in my case the SJIB and with that yep keep the 2 grades electrician and approved electrician and at a push have a Domestic and Commercial Industrial grades but at all costs keep the registration companies out of this also if you are self employed then you should be able to register your business with the JIB and they should hold a copy of your PL and PI insurance because as the law stands if you do a bad job then your customer can persue or in other word simplify the whole thing because right now the system is protecting the £30 EICR companies and not protecting the very people that is their life blood.

Also if there is any Euro sceptics 22 years ago the ECC brought into power the European Employment Act all Britsh governments have opted out of this but now we are having top take these laws on board by stealth so we are now only getting some of the protection we should have got 22 years ago so when it comes to Licence electricians maybe we should look at haow they do it or we can do what we always do and just let it roll Aye I can hear the registration companies screaming from here

 

[a1guvner]

Definately, most of the schemes in place are only there to line there own pockets, but wouldnt it be nice to have a system to stop the cowboys and DIYers

x qualifcations = different levels of licence suited to different levels of work,

 

[telectrix]

soon as the niceic and the other scams work out how they can make oodles of money out of a licensing scheme, you can guarantee they'll instigate one.

 

[oldtimer]

soon as the niceic and the other scams work out how they can make oodles of money out of a licensing scheme, you can guarantee they'll instigate one.

Yep but my idea would take them out the loop so they could stick to training and even work as an independant investigator when there is a dispute

 

[a1guvner]

Yep but my idea would take them out the loop so they could stick to training and even work as an independant investigator when there is a dispute

Yes, remember when Corgi first came out and people actually started demanding Corgi engineers, there must be a way of stepping up again from that?

Obviously there must of still been lots of idiots about but somethings got to happen

 

[imago]

We don't need another scheme, or a new system. What we need is for those with the power (the Government) to focus on the issues across the construction industry, grow a spine, and enforce the regulations that are already in place.

There are IMHO only two 'grades' of tradesmen in any field, those that act professionally and complete work to a high standard, and those which don't. All the qualifications, length of time in the trade, memberships, and fancy trousers merely hint at the type of individual. They don't prove anything.

Equal attention should be paid to, and enforcement applied to, the end users. Any customer (private, commercial, or industrial) who either dodges a standard of work, or tries to get 'matey from the pub', should be held equally liable for the penalties with the cowboy doing it. Contracts can be very descriptive, and a standard should be used. If a builder fly tips waste from a job the householder can and does get prosecuted if it's traced. This level of attention should be paid to the work done too.

 

[Specialist]

Guys: Does anyone honestly believe that a Licence is going to stop under the counter work ? I honestly don't think a licence system is going to work, for 1) you can Guarantee it would just end up causing the poor sparky some more money that he / she can ill afford to pay & 2) We're in a recession & the only way a lot of people can afford to have repairs done is to have it done under the Counter. It's not right but that's the way it is, any of you want to stand in front of Joe public & tell them that from now on they can't have a faulty light repaired unless they can afford a Licensed Electrician ?. Before you worry about the rest of us getting Licenced, is'nt it time we tried to find a way of stopping these Schemes putting totally incompetent into the Trade ?. Yes I know it's never going to happen, the Govrnment make too much out of it. We don't need a licence, we need the Government to pull their fingers out of their rear ends & make what we already have work.

Just a thought: Are'nt Americans using a Licencing scheme ? Does'nt stop the Cowboys or DIY'ers though.

 

[a1guvner]

The people ordering the substandard work should be more accountable but in the real world how would it be policed, would take a real shake up

 

[Engineer54]

Reading most of these posts, i can't believe how short sighted most of you are. It's as if your desperate to remain the pawns and cash cows of these scam providers. Can't any of you see, if you are a National Registered Qualified Electrician, the scam providers will effectively have no role to play as far as part Pee or any other fee charging role!!

You need to forget what DIY'ers do in there own homes, it's got nothing to do with you, your no going to stop it, no-matter what rules and reg's are in place. What you need to concentrate on, is the incompetent part trained electricians that are trading and performing much of the sub-standard installations in peoples homes. Not to mention the buckshee PIRs and other so-called official report paperwork.

Yes a lot needs to get sorted out, especially the grading side of things, and the teeth that such a registration authority would require. But to allow these scam providers to carry on the way they are, with no intention whatsoever of changing things, is just pure madness!! Let them all go back to what they were doing before Part Pee, when they were not effectively reducing or killing off our industry....

As for the JIB, well they have never been very effective have they, no-one can trust there grading system that seems to change by the day. Most of it now run by kids and old women that haven't a clue about some of the C&G's they are dealing with, from times when C&G meant something and were real courses and had real examination grades....

Just remember, at the moment your all being taken for a right royal ride, your industry is going to the dogs, your status as electricians is being diminished by deskilling at an alarming rate!! And here you are, supporting the very organisations that are or have been responsible!! WAKE UP, .... and start seeing the light!!

 

[a1guvner]

Well said

 

[m top]

Been looking on here a while i am not an electrician but a building contractor with 25 years experience,i have signed up to one of these fast track courses to gain electrical experience with a view to be able to install solar panels to new build jobs for myself in the future.
i do have a basic understanding of basic electrical circuits before i started this course domestic side but am wondering why so many of you think these courses
are so bad,i appreciate the fact that you cant know everthing when doing these courses,but i do find some peoples comments contradictory in regards to experience knowledge levels as you are training to be a domestic installer not an industrial or electrical engineer,domestic electrics are not that difficult and anyone with basic construction background should find enough grounding from these courses to be able to install domestic electrics.
I hope i have not offended any tradesmen with my views and i am not quiet sure if this is the right post to post my comments,however i would be pleased to hear your views thankyou.

 

[Engineer54]

And what would you say then to an office worker, that has never picked up a hammer in his life were to suddenly think he can become a domestic builder such as yourself??

What would your view on that be??