Hi Andy b

It does sound like you are from the same era as my-self judging by the dates you have quoted

I never said Tories where perfect and it might come as a suspire from my writings I will not be voting for them this time round, I also remember the years of total destruction of the prementioned industrial industries as well

What has got my goat is the endless ramping of everything is rosy just to win a general election.

In my eyes they just carried on where the Tories left off, but they bankrupt Britain as well in the process and still try and gloss in over with some untrue feel good factor statement. I know all to many people in various trades who have fallen on hard times due to this government

I have just finished a well-paid electrical contract with a well-known steel producer, proberly the last big manufacturing industry left. Even if we don’t own it any more.

It is sad that it cost so much to produce steel, in fact anything in Britain due to the red tape and taxes surrounding anything that isn’t classed as the ecco squeaky-clean trend we have seen over the last 10 years. It’s the counter productiveness of all this red tape that has destroyed the rest of our industrial base.

I always looked forward to rely on a trade having over 25 years plus experience, to only find my nose being pushed out also due to more red tape.

I never have known it so bad.

Applied for a job in a pumping station have all the papers and experience JIB approved even the stupid safety passports and other stuff only to be told don’t bother to apply because I haven’t got some other card. When I investigated what it was it was a 4 hour common sense course where they tell you how not to pollute water. Cost £200.

What a joke if you haven’t got the common sense to work at these places. Then what chance have you got of installing repairing their stuff?

They seem to choose these stupid things over real experience and qualifications at the moment and I blame this nanny culture that labour has brought in.

Since when did you not know if you eat junk food it made you fat! seen a advert the other day telling me if I ate healthy (cut out the above) and exercised It would keep me fit and thin? Dine bar anyone?

I do respect your beliefs Andy but at the same time find it hard to share your Enthusiasm for labours great achievements over the last decade.
 
c.p.c

Thanks for your message, I think you have misjudged me, I have never voted 'New Labour' in my life and I made no mention of Labour's 'Great Achievements as you put it because there are none.

I agree with you that they carried on where the Tories left off, and only a fool would think that everything is rosy at the moment.
I was trying to make the point that we've struggled under both governments and all this is nothing new, we had the 3 day week in the seventies, the winter of discontent in the late seventies, the recession of the eighties, black Wednesday the fall of the pound massive unemployment etc etc. But for all Labour's faults they've not yet managed to decimate a whole industry or community yet.

Agree completely about the nanny culture but I don't think you could put that on any particular government.

Oh! and thanks for the tip on junk food, I'll stop eating it right away :) and what is a safety passport?
 
. But for all Labour's faults they've not yet managed to decimate a whole industry or community yet.

There were some good programs on last year about the miners strikes and what they went through .

Might be worth the uninitiated to check them out see the Tories at the height of their power !

I am a southerner and still feel for what they went through . After the decimatinion of the communities

like most places . Drugs despair and despondency kick in and Still prevail ( things CPC seems to think are

the current Labour governments Fault ?) Large vacuums were/are left. I also seem to remember it was

the Tory goverment who stopped ALL or at least most of the apprenticeships in trade and industry in fact

she sold a hell of a lot . Is this why 5 day courses are now big buisness ? . She also shut down a lot of the

mental health hospitals effectively, putting the mentally vulnerable on the street.

10 per cent mentally vunerable 10 per cent alkis and I would say 75 per cent Addicts constitute the

homeless.MOst or a lot of the homeless have been Mentally ,Physically and Sexually abused .

(Is this the sole work of Gorden CPC or was he assisted) and

through no fault of their own end up on the street or prison in a vicious cycle until . Maybe someone like

Lousie Casey homeless Tsar in the labour goverment from around 2000 put money into rehabitaion .

And Hey guess what (well **** my boots some not all get rehabilitated . I know people whom have

benefited from this Labour Goverment Initiative and that is another thing to thank them for .

a Bold positive move.

but hey things are not so good so lets all be negative and BLAME the countrys ills on

the present labour goverment like CPC . AND Whose Calling Whom a child Again ?




.
 
Hello again Andy

What is a safety passport?

This is what I called it in my posting! It is a debt-sized card that is called Passport to safety .I think they are a few companies that run the courses to get them. They are all the same as long as they have the core skill sign, c with a dot in the middle. You will require one when working on sites where there are a lot of hazards i.e. foundries, power stations, refineries etc. You are supposed to carry it and produce it on demand if requested by Mr/Mrs h&s.

If you take the second day to the course it will include hygiene which will be marked on the card as well .I think you will find you have to have hygiene to working on food lines with in food factories. Conveyors, working over food lines etc not on the grounds, Greencore are big on it

It also gets you out off doing the JIB multiple choice test.

To be fair, it is only what gets repeated day in and out at most inductions across the uk. Common sense stuff, but here the catch, if you have one of these cards with the hygiene you can walk on most food sites without the heavy induction, others dangerous typey sites you will still have to sit their inductions obviously, but as the card states you have the core safety skills to work safety, so in theory if something goes wrong “accident/safety” wise they could possibly rub they hands off it, as you have been briefed on safety through this card and nothing they forgot to cover (general safety wise ) within their induction, If you get my drift?

I don’t think that would be the case. I do believe it is more as a time saver for them on the more routine safety issues for most company sites, which ask for this card.

Can’t remember how much it was, I think it was around the £220 mark? It lasts 3-4 years?

However, If you want it for free Drive down to the local school, handbrake turn at 60 mpg in front of the lady with the lolly then spin off up the one way school exit backwards a-wheels-a smok`in and you probably get offered to take this course free instead of collecting your 3 points for your excellent driving skills, There was a bloke in our class who had been put on it because of that reason, speeding on the motorway of course, lol.
 
Why that’s then?:confused: O yes, I forgot it raining out side! I wouldn’t want to get wet walking you to school would I.

Cpc I'm a Lover not a Fighter . A few posts ago you blamed the countrys ILLs on the labour party maybe you

had a bad day maybe you have had something really awfull happen to you I do not know But to blame a whole

countries ills on a political party then try to be smug about it ? Seemed to me a little immature .

Now the image of you getting your coat to walk some one to school is a liitle Unsettling you sound like a

professional :) Shall we just agree to disagree ? and stop the Hand bags at 20 paces
 
They are not far off with the British Pub never seen so many closing down


Rather than just through a comment out there you need to back up your argument with facts ?

People drinking less ? Is A good thing ask all the people who have ever had their head kicked in in by a

Drunken tw2T or a wife who is systematically beaten or the children who miss out because their parents

would rather drink ? Or are you talking about the smoking ban I call that progress Why should someone

potentially breate in others smoke and get cancer ? UNG you need to be CLEAR with

what you are saying and back UP your arguments with FACTS my fr:)iend
 
Rather than just through a comment out there you need to back up your argument with facts ?

People drinking less ?

Alot of people aint got the money under this government


Is A good thing ask all the people who have ever had their head kicked in in by a Drunken tw2T or a wife who is systematically beaten or the children who miss out because their parents
would rather drink ?

Who was it said "Tough on crime Tough on the causes of crime" I'm sure you will tell me


Or are you talking about the smoking ban I call that progress Why should someone potentially breate in others smoke and get cancer ? UNG you need to be CLEAR with
what you are saying and back UP your arguments with FACTS my fr:)iend

It just proves that only the smokers were drinking

I was making a reply to your comment "But for all Labour's faults they've not yet managed to decimate a whole industry or community yet. "

I don't recall the Conservatives doing this either. Arthur Scargill wiped out the mining industry trying to bring an elected government down so check your facts
 
UNG I am confused by your comments The quote you think was mine was not I was agreeing

As for beatings male or female from the abuses of alcohol Its not crime they do not need to be punished they

need help most probably counseling. Physical abuse is usually passed down from Parents to child or wife

Locking them up would solve Jack regardless of what Tony might of said
 
Hi Scott f

sorry mate but you sound like a wishy washy it on the fence lib/dem to me. we need strong leadership at this time not more of the same. not voting torie or labour or libs. look at the post just wondering. thats the guy we need.

Gary:eek:
 
Hi Scott f

sorry mate but you sound like a wishy washy it on the fence lib/dem to me. we need strong leadership at this time not more of the same. not voting torie or labour or libs. look at the post just wondering. thats the guy we need.

Gary:eek:

Hi Gary have you read ALL the posts Mate ? or are you just extracting urine ?

What guy are you taliking about ?
 
They are not far off with the British Pub never seen so many closing down


I feel its slightly insulting to compare the WHOLE Communities who lost their livelihoods and sense of well

being against the shutting down of a few pubs.

UNG smacks of a little bit at grasping at straws .

As I have said before see you on polling day
 
As for beatings male or female from the abuses of alcohol Its not crime they do not need to be punished they need help most probably counseling. Physical abuse is usually passed down from Parents to child or wife

Locking them up would solve Jack regardless of what Tony might of said

Are you a spark or a PC social worker?

I feel its slightly insulting to compare the WHOLE Communities who lost their livelihoods and sense of well being against the shutting down of a few pubs.

One of Labours own led those blinkered communities into the abyss. Scargill has alot to answer for he was milking it while he led his members to the job centre

UNG smacks of a little bit at grasping at straws .

It is Labour and it's supporters who are grasping at straws No more Boom and Bust, if this country is not bust then I would like to hear Labours word for it.

Labour are no better now than they were in 1979 the cupboard is now totally bare they have nothing left to sell.

They claim to have built new hospitals and schools but neglect to say that it will take at least the next 25 years to pay for them

It would appear that a lot of people have followed Labours lead and live in unaffordable debt
 
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It is Labour and it's supporters who are grasping at straws No more Boom and Bust, if this country is not bust then I would like to hear Labours word for it.

Labour are no better now than they were in 1979 the cupboard is now totally bare they have nothing left to sell.

They claim to have built new hospitals and schools but neglect to say that it will take at least the next 25 years to pay for them

It would appear that a lot of people have followed Labours lead and live in unaffordable debt

I have to say "UNG" you are spot on with that coment !
 
And yet again...

Please debate in the election thread.

And leave out the insults, otherwise threads will be closed and offending members WILL be banned.
 
My local has dropped prices, albeit to 115 petrol and 118 derv.

Mind you, thats only because Asdas price war.
 

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