PIR remedial work advice

[Amp David]

Looking at a job to price for some remedial work. 2 things i have noticed and mentioned it to the customer are, no RCD on shower circuit nor on the upstairs lighting circuits. This has been listed as code 4, not to current regs.

I have said it should be a code 2 and need doing asap.

This report has been done, no code 1's but code 2's, so should be classed as unsatisfactory, right?

 

[Electricalserv]

Looking at a job to price for some remedial work. 2 things i have noticed and mentioned it to the customer are, no RCD on shower circuit nor on the upstairs lighting circuits. This has been listed as code 4, not to current regs.

I have said it should be a code 2 and need doing asap.

This report has been done, no code 1's but code 2's, so should be classed as unsatisfactory, right?

Why should it be code 2? If it was wired before 2008. Its ok so only a code 4

 

[Octopus]

There is no legal requirement to bring existing wiring up to the current regs!

Code 4's are the right action IMHO

 

[Amp David]

The ESC guide advises it as a code 2, so have always used that as a baseline.

 

[Electricalserv]

What page mate....Il have a look. I always code them 4's

 

[Amp David]

Just looked at the latest download and they have changes the content from the version i have printed out.

On mine it reads this.

Neither local supp bonding nor RCD protection is present in a bathroom or shower room. Note: Where the presence of local supp bonding cannot be confirmed by inspection, it may be verified by measurement.

Its on page 17 of my copy, just past the pic of the MK RCD

 

[Dunc]

I would code 4 it too but only if the necessary supplementary bonding was in place as per the 16th.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

The ESC guide advises it as a code 2, so have always used that as a baseline.

No they don't.
In fact the ESC do not indicate any code at all where there is no RCD protection for bathroom circuits.

 

[Amp David]

Ok fair enough.

I read this thinking that its says so

"Neither local supp bonding nor RCD protection is present in a bathroom or shower room. Note: Where the presence of local supp bonding cannot be confirmed by inspection, it may be verified by measurement."

I don't mind admitting i'm wrong, glad i have asked though

 

[Electricalserv]

Ok fair enough.

I read this thinking that its says so

"Neither local supp bonding nor RCD protection is present in a bathroom or shower room. Note: Where the presence of local supp bonding cannot be confirmed by inspection, it may be verified by measurement."

I don't mind admitting i'm wrong, glad i have asked though

Mate we all see it differently. From what I gather the point you are reading needs all 3 conditions not to be satisfied in order for it to be coded 2. Have a real good read of it.

 

[Amp David]

Mate we all see it differently. From what I gather the point you are reading needs all 3 conditions not to be satisfied in order for it to be coded 2. Have a real good read of it.

Your probably right, will be binning the copy of my ESC guide and downloading the latest version, as they read different on a few different things!

Not to worry i'll old my hands up!

 

[Electricalserv]

Your probably right, will be binning the copy of my ESC guide and downloading the latest version, as they read different on a few different things!

Not to worry i'll old my hands up!

Still a code 4 may be of interest to the customer. Personally I'd want the whole house RCD protected!

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Still a code 4 may be of interest to the customer. Personally I'd want the whole house RCD protected!

Don't know if I'd go quite that far. I don't like putting fridges, freezers and cookers on RCDs. Everything else, no problem.

 

[Electricalserv]

If you don't you are less likely to identify faults with appliances though. RCD throughout for me!

 

[Amp David]

Personally have never had any issues with fridges freezers on RCDs. Never had any issues, touch wood!