Plugged in burglar alarm

[telectrix]

If i ever installed a plug-in alarm, please shoot me. Diy crap.

 

[tazz]

Exactly!! That's why I thought there might be regs governing them but it looks like there aren't!



So not plugged in alarms like I'm asking for.

There are regs covering all alarms, and I have given you the the bs en number....All installations must comply to this reg, The installation is graded according to risk assessment of property. There is no such system (apart from Mickey Mouse alarms Ltd) that has a plug in alarm. And therefore does not comply. Fitting such a system may revoke the clients insurance, and make you accountable for the loss.

 

[jtimbers]

I'm definitely not fixed on having a plug top as they seem like quite a large product flaw but I was interested if there were any requirements to secure it.

Tazz, you seem to know a lot about alarms. I was also interested in how they affect insurance as you mention. I found this:

Grade 1: Intruders expected to have little knowledge and limited tools. Alarm is suitable for a low risk
Grade 2: Intruders expected to have limited knowledge and some tools. Alarm is suitable for a low to medium risk
Grade 3: Intruders expected to have knowledge and full range of tools. Alarm is suitable for medium to high risk.
Grade 4: Intruders expected to have sophisticated knowledge and tools. Alarm is suitable for a high risk.

But do you have any more specifics or is it down to each individual insurance company how they grade alarms?

Surely fitting a terrible alarm won't compromise any insurance policy unless you lied to the company and told them it was something it wasn't?

 

[Leesparkykent]

I'm definitely not fixed on having a plug top as they seem like quite a large product flaw but I was interested if there were any requirements to secure it.

Tazz, you seem to know a lot about alarms. I was also interested in how they affect insurance as you mention. I found this:

Grade 1: Intruders expected to have little knowledge and limited tools. Alarm is suitable for a low risk
Grade 2: Intruders expected to have limited knowledge and some tools. Alarm is suitable for a low to medium risk
Grade 3: Intruders expected to have knowledge and full range of tools. Alarm is suitable for medium to high risk.
Grade 4: Intruders expected to have sophisticated knowledge and tools. Alarm is suitable for a high risk.

But do you have any more specifics or is it down to each individual insurance company how they grade alarms?

Surely fitting a terrible alarm won't compromise any insurance policy unless you lied to the company and told them it was something it wasn't?

Having an alarm fitted probably wouldn't make any difference to their insurance premium unless it was fitted by someone who is nacoss, ssaib,etc registered.

EDIT: also, obviously they wouldn't install a two-bob alarm either.

 

[shanky887614]

Having an alarm fitted probably wouldn't make any difference to their insurance premium unless it was fitted by someone who is nacoss, ssaib,etc registered.

I'm definitely not fixed on having a plug top as they seem like quite a large product flaw but I was interested if there were any requirements to secure it.

Tazz, you seem to know a lot about alarms. I was also interested in how they affect insurance as you mention. I found this:

Grade 1: Intruders expected to have little knowledge and limited tools. Alarm is suitable for a low risk
Grade 2: Intruders expected to have limited knowledge and some tools. Alarm is suitable for a low to medium risk
Grade 3: Intruders expected to have knowledge and full range of tools. Alarm is suitable for medium to high risk.
Grade 4: Intruders expected to have sophisticated knowledge and tools. Alarm is suitable for a high risk.

But do you have any more specifics or is it down to each individual insurance company how they grade alarms?

Surely fitting a terrible alarm won't compromise any insurance policy unless you lied to the company and told them it was something it wasn't?

it would have to be a certain type of alarm similar to thachen approved in vechicals

 

[Brightspark2]

the yale wireless ones are ****e, you have 20 secs from entry to unplug phone cable then pull it off the wall and take out the AA batteries lol

Will the bell box still not sound?...

 

[shanky887614]

Will the bell box still not sound?...

after a while it just turns itself off. i know cause i forgot the garage zone is set to set alarm off automatically, by the time i got to the house and tried to remeber the code it had reset.

the wireless pir's are rubbish as well, they keep losing sync.

with alarms go wired or go home

 

[tazz]

Your minimum grading should not be lower than grade 2, with at least communicator or digi... insurance companies will expect this grade, so now here lays the problem, either fit grade 2 or dont fit any alarm. If they can get out of paying they will. Hence the reason for the installer to have indemnity insurance.

 

[jtimbers]

So under grade 2 won't make a difference to insurance?

But surely fitting a poor quality alarm and not mentioning it to the house insurers won't reduce the chance of them paying out. A bad alarm won't increase the chance of getting broken in to compared a house with no alarm what so ever.

Some people fit faux bell boxes for just this reason - it's a slight deterrent.

 

[shanky887614]

So under grade 2 won't make a difference to insurance?

But surely fitting a poor quality alarm and not mentioning it to the house insurers won't reduce the chance of them paying out. A bad alarm won't increase the chance of getting broken in to compared a house with no alarm what so ever.

Some people fit faux bell boxes for just this reason - it's a slight deterrent.

thats what my stepdad has done, waste of time i competent burgler would look through the windows to where the keypad is and break in there

 

[Deleted member 72666]

Are you definately fixed on having the plug...?

you could just snip it off and connect it to a fused spur. It wouldn't hurt anyone or anything, and it'd be alot better for it....

I mean you're not planning on unplugging it and taking it for a drive to your nans for a few weeks, surely!

It may not be that simple as it'll probably be a plug-in psu which is aimed at the diy market, complete waste of time imo!