Post or No Post....

[ebow72]

Hello one and all, I don't know how this post will go down,but I am going to post it anyway....

I have been a member on here for about a year now, posted some good posts, annoying posts and some I am not so sure, looking back on them now...
I try and treat this forum as an extension of my place of work (If I had one) and I read nearly every new post posted on a daily basis and trawl through the old ones I think it may benefit me.
I have a very enquiring mind and want to know this, that and the other, so It's been a valuable reference guide for me.

With the work based element now almost non existent and practical in the college kept to a minimum due to costs, it's a wonder anyone will ever qualify again..but there are those out there who are eager, inquisitive and just have the desire to succeed.

SO, when I am not 100% sure about something whether it be a reg, requirement or just general info, I will always come here, but of late I haven't really bothered when I have read some of the post replies by some forum members, this ranges from members to EA members.
I am so grateful to all the members who have replied and assisted me over the year and I have tried to repay, by helping others who were I was a year ago. If I can I will help, If I feel the post is a waste of time, I won't bother with it...I'll take my bad day out on something else...


I think what I am trying to say, I don't understand what gives some people the right to have a go at someone for posting an already existing post, ridicule their grammar and sometimes just borderline abuse.Don't get me wrong I don't understand this text speak either and maybe forum etiquette should be you post in good old fashioned English and you might get a more adult reply...
I am not saying a bit of harmless fun doesn't go a long way and I used to banter with the lads,believe me I am game for a laugh, but some of the lads on here are quite young and haven't quite grasped it yet.



I am not having a go at anyone in particular and hope no one takes offence to this post, ultimately we were all in the same boat at some point and I reckon a big pat on the back has to go out to all concerned with the forum, it's a cracking site.

Thanks all,

Ian

 

[Guest111]

You did, but it read as though you didn't.

I must admit that I do double check. The one time I didn't I got a belt.

so did my last apprentice before i retired,he didn,t check, it was dead but he got a belt off me for not checking.now when I hear him telling the young uns off where he works for things i told him off for it makes all the effort i put in worthwhile in fact I feel quite proud of the way he turned out.

 

[MJM]

MJM, Everyone is wary about posting to start with, as I guess we feel we are asking stupid questions, but at the end of the day, we are only asking, we can either post or not post and it's not a bad thing to ask questions either, better than keeping quiet and doing something your not sure about. Countless mistakes are made from being unsure and just through not listening. I understand the more experienced spark not wanting to give us a straight answer, but as explained elsewhere, they are wanting the OP to use their grey matter and look and find out for themselves. Which I wouldn't expect anything else really....
I am 39 now, finished my level 3 and waiting for a placement to do my Level 3 NVQ, so my chances of an apprenticeship are long gone, it's no big deal, I'll qualify another way. Don't be disheartened about it, if you study like crazy, send CV's to every man and his dog, it will happen. It's not easy I admit,but it's the choice we made to improve our life's, so we either carry on in a cr&p job or do something we have a passion for.
Just out of interest, I am at college and I am doing the level 3 through EAL too, to be honest I think they are a load of rubbish, but it's still a qual. But I am interested in how you got a EAL Part P, as it's not a qual, it's a competent persons scheme ran by the likes of ELECSA and Napit etc, you have to pay for the privilege too. I won't go in to too much as there are posts galore on here about it. But I was wondering what exactly you have from EAL Part P, if you don't mind sharing.

Cheers

Ian

Ian, the course brman referred you to is what I meant. Is the level 3 you're doing at college the 2330?

 

[ebow72]

I am doing 2357 at college,done all the theory now, just a few practical units and the NVQ level 3 to complete, thats the work based evidence part of the course.I don't know a right lot about it yet, so will post about it when I do..
Quite misleading that really, well mentioning the Part P bit in the qual...but I see what you mean now, how long does the course last for?

 

[Adam W]

I think the 'extension of the workplace' analogy is a good one:
Consider a new guy turning up to work on his first day:
He could arrive very aware that he is the new guy and doesn't know anyone, doesn't know the company ways of doing things, and will politely ask if he doesn't know something.
After a few days/weeks/after he has made an impression, the stigma of being the new guy will wear off and he will be accepted by his co-workers.

Then there are the older guys who may have been working for the company for years who can get away with a bit of backchat, flippant remarks and a bit of slacking off.
If the new guy tried this on his first day people wouldn't like it, least of all the boss, and he'd probably be shown the door.
Likewise the gobby know-it-all apprentice is guaranteed to be taken down a few pegs with a bit extra on top, then have it made clear to them who is in charge.
This is what the tutors at my college used to do - on the first day they'd get all the students sat in the same room in orderly rows for an introduction to the course, with all the tutors standing behind desks in front of the whiteboard wearing shirts, ties and college staff ID badges. Anyone misbehaving even slightly would be publicly humiliated. This is in contrast to some of the 'express' courses where you are just told you're the best.

There are also the 'blaggers' who claim to be and are paid to be much more qualified and experienced than they actually are, and try to blag their way through jobs by asking basic questions from the more experienced guys. An apprentice or adult trainee may be able to get away with asking basic questions, but if they're being paid the same amount they should have a similar capability. They might think they're doing a good job off fooling everyone, but they're fooling no-one.

Same with internet forums - until you know the score just keep your head down, be polite and lay off the bulsh and you should be fine.
On the other hand someone who storms in trying to tell everyone what's what, not listening to what they're being told and generally putting a cat among the pigeons can almost be guaranteed a flaming and will more than likely end up storming off in a blaze of sour grapes.
I've seen it happen before and it will happen again.