Prosecution

[tigerpaul]

We had our ECA assessor visit today and while we were chatting he mentioned a case in London where a contractor had done an apartment block. There was a fan in a bathroom which had gotten stuck and the motor had caught alight and caused a major fire. Everything he'd done was as per BS7671, except however he hadn't fused the fan down to 3A as per the fan manufacturers instructions. Now this contractor has been prosecuted.
Now how many times have you seem a bathroom fan fused down to 3A? I haven't at all, it's always just the 6A Mcb providing protection.

 

[Rampantchilli]

If it is true about fans needing 3A, then if its a new build you could take it from its own circuit...i fear for this though, wont be long before literally everything will have its own dedicated circuit.

in some countries in europe, each circuit in each room is fused separately, imagine a house with 13 rooms, could easily be 30 circuits,all rcbos, oh the cost of a CU change, happy days lol
this will be 19th edition

 

[markc123]

What about 18th ramp lol? Does he get missed out lol

 

[Megavolt]

A total load of rubbish! If you stall one of them tiny fan motors, there's no way it could cause enough over current to start a fire Come on get real!

Seen the after math afew years ago fan caught on fire melt off wall landing in bath melting through bath. We carried out repairs for insurance company.

 

[markc123]

Elrick, so the solution is either on its own 3amp mcb, or having a fuse spur next to the fan isolator? The latter is going to have to take some working out in my head.

This thread has been a real food for thought. Honestly never ever thought of fusing a fan down, ever.

 

[Rampantchilli]

Elrick, so the solution is either on its own 3amp mcb, or having a fuse spur next to the fan isolator? The latter is going to have to take some working out in my head.

This thread has been a real food for thought. Honestly never ever thought of fusing a fan down, ever.

not that difficult really, just put FCU before bath light, assuming its 3 plate, then alls good, fan isolator in normal place,

question is, what if your fitting a 12v fan, and the transformer has a 100mA fuse built in

 

[Guest55]

Seen the after math afew years ago fan caught on fire melt off wall landing in bath melting through bath. We carried out repairs for insurance company.

someone else from 'pool.
think thats 3 of us now lol.
;-)

 

[Fin170]

If it's a new build you could easily work the circuit on a 3amp breaker (all the lighting in my house hardly goes over 1 amp), especially being all the pendants should (more or less anyway) be low energy. MK is the only manufacture I've seen selling them en masse but I'm sure there will be others

And I'm with the general consensus that the fan would of burnt out long before the fuse thought about blowing :lol:

 

[vaughant]

A total load of rubbish! If you stall one of them tiny fan motors, there's no way it could cause enough over current to start a fire Come on get real!

Seen a few burn out in panels before (industrial) and they do literally melt away to nothing.
A few have caused fires in the past and actually thinking about it they were fused inline and the fuse never blew!!!!
Usually though in those type of panels you get a 240v/110v supply before the main isolator so you can use panel lighting/fans/sockets etc so they do get rated up a bit.

 

[phb]

I honestly never ever new that 3A MCB's existed hahaha oh my days.

Isit just MK that make them?

Abb make 1, 2, 3, 4
..... amp mcb's

 

[electric will]

Errr, what type of fan are you talking about? Small cooling fan or something? We're on about the tiny fans (about 10w) used for extraction in bathrooms etc

 

[onions1066]

er , no you dont cos its complete nonsense lol.
so 99% of properties will now fail your EICR's then ?
that is truely money grabbing , regs bending , mind numbing baloney.

why is it none sense .?

 

[onions1066]

so NIC now also overrule any manufacturers instructions, they really are the font of all electrical knowledge now aren't they.

Diilb you have a lot of bitterness towards NIC, I take it your not a member

 

[Silly Sausage]

Diilb you have a lot of bitterness towards NIC, I take it your not a member

Because they are taking the proverbial!

 

[onions1066]

Because they are taking the proverbial!

You not a fan of there's either then, what are they talking the proverbial regarding ?

 

[ipf]

You not a fan of there's either then, what are they talking the proverbial regarding ?

All this talk about fans.....If it's gonna burn what preference would a 3amp fuse hold over a 6 amp cb?