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Everybody in the trade have had part P shoved down their throats for the past few years yet Ive seen very little in the meadia making the general public aware of the current reg's
Why is it anybody can walk into a shed and purchase a C.U., meter tails, OPD's etc which under part P are all notifiable.
Most of the domestic clients I speak to have never heard of part P

I'll amend that just got a call from someone specifically looking for part p - well well well

One possibility why people carry out electrical upgrades without notification is because many home owners are staying put, and would rather save the money now and worry about it when they move.

At the moment for example I am having a conservatory built and chose to pay an extra ÂŁ500 to have BC allow me to remove the internal doors.
However when my builder spoke to them they said pay the fee, leave the doors in place, then remove them after they sign it off.
When I heard this I thought whats the point in paying ÂŁ500 when it would not need to notify otherwise?
I have now decided not to notify, save ÂŁ500, and if its an issue when I move then have some new doors re-fitted.

It might be the same for people having electrical work done, where they may choose to have work done without using a registered sparky or notifying, then just pay for a PIR when they decide to move house.
 
Everybody in the trade have had part P shoved down their throats for the past few years yet Ive seen very little in the meadia making the general public aware of the current reg's
Why is it anybody can walk into a shed and purchase a C.U., meter tails, OPD's etc which under part P are all notifiable.
Most of the domestic clients I speak to have never heard of part P

I'll amend that just got a call from someone specifically looking for part p - well well well

I agree that the public know vey little of Part P. Most of my customers have never heard of it. It's a joke.

My main bug bear with it though is that LABC just couldn't give a monkeys about it. In fact I would go as far as to say that some of them encourage work by unregistered sparks. I'll explain.
Over the past week I've seen at least a couple of threads on here, with members who have had customers who have had work done by unregistered sparks. These customers now want Part P notification. As the member has not carried out the installation, they cannot issue an EIC. BUT the LABC will accept a PIR and then sign off the install.

WTF. A brand new install without an EIC. Thats a fundamental breach of BS7671 straight away. A fundemental breach of Part P, a building regulation. Who polices the building regs? It could be argued that LABC are breaking the law!

Now I don't blame registered sparks for doing it this way as it is the only way and work is work. But LABC should refuse to accept a PIR for new work. That way people would start to get the message that electrical work HAS to be notified in the correct way by registered sparks or through LABC with the appropriate fee. Once a few people have had their installations ripped apart and re-done then word would soon get around!

Of course the government bear responsibility for this. They have never advertised Part P.
On my radio over the past few months my ears are being continously bombarded by pointless government ads, about getting your driving licence renewed at DVLA or telling HMRC about changes to your circumstances, so they can adjust your tax credits FFS.
So it's okay for DIYers or cowboys to risk electrocuting someone or burning a house down, as long as their driving licence is up to date.
And the scheme providers have enough money off of us to advertise.

And slightly off topic but, why when there are a number of scheme providers do all the schemes cost the same to join? No-one seems to be cheaper than the other. There is no price competition between any of them that I can see.Strange that. Especially when the GAS SAFE scheme is a monopoly and only costs ÂŁ155 per year and is more strictly regulated!!
 
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To be fair colleges are telling you to issue a PIR not an EIC. I didn't believe the lad when he came back from college so I gave them a ring...
It's still the same tutors there as when I went over 14 years ago. They backed up what the lad had said.

The college are saying you should issue a PIR because you didn't design or construct all the circuits.

When I had my NIC assessment I brought this up with the assessor, he said a lot of colleges are telling their students to use the PIR route, It seems to be a bit of a divide and I can see both sides .
After all you are changing the characteristic of every circuit.


Any way probably thrown abit of water on the chip pan fire!!!

Cheers
Jim
 
Totally agree with savaloy.
Make clear guidelines, clear regulations and stick to them
Issuing a periodic will not make the installer responsible its just a get out
 
On extensions via building control the client should maybe pay a set figure with regards to the electrical work. Once they receive the CORRECT paper work on completion this bond will be returned to the client.
Sure this system is in place in Scotland and the builder gets this money.
Money talks, if people are getting money back they`ll be more aware of part P and Bob from the pub wont be doing his own wiring!
 
If LABC are involved, they are responsible for ensuring the electrical installation complies and no further fees will need to be paid to them, as they are included.

Therefore, any self builder can do the EI and have it checked and signed off.
 
Your doors wont kill you = your electrical installation could

The point I was trying to make is that LABC gave me the impression that they do not care and that I can either pay a fee now or when I move.
Obviously I will choose to pay when I move :D

If LABC provide an option of accepting a PIR for work that has not been notified, then I would imagine many people would take advantage of that and just get a PIR done when they decide to sell.

I am not trying to argue in favour of non-notification as safety is paramount.
I am just sharing the little experience I have had with LABC, and would not be supprised if their attitude to additional electrical circuits was just the same.
 
I went to the local LABC office intending to notify the work I am going to use for my on site assesment but I couldn't get him to understand what I wanted to do and finally gave up in exasperation.
 

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