Pyro + me

[i=p/u]

Have a board to change tomorrow with old pyro entering top and bottom of board, I've heard some guys saying they can split , what do they mean and any tips just. Thanks.

 

[MDJ]

MICC why is there so many on here who are frightened by it, isn't this first year apprentice stuff, or are they only taught FP200?

See my previous post, to me, to you, and to others it is easy as we were trained with it, when I was an apprentice we soldered lugs on cables we didn't have a crimper, how many lads today are taught to solder on lugs properly? I would say in general hardly any, I know the standards today have dropped from years ago but not knowing how to handle pyro isn't something that makes electricians these days poor sparks, it is a method of installation which is dying out or only used on specific circumstances due to new cables manufactured and modern methods whether we agree with them or not, I feel sorry for the OP, he asked a good question and this thread will be a learning curve to a lot of sparks who have not handled pyro, however it is getting a little messy now and needs cleaning up.

 

[MDJ]

When doing the AM2 its FP200, although we have a practical assessment at college soon which involves both MICC and FP.

I would like to see it reintroduced if possible purely to see how kids these days would handle clipping 7 or 8 side by side over a 3 meter run, it takes practise and skill to make it look neat and to get the pots the right length, the amouint of boards I have seen with the pot a foot inside it because the spark couldn't measure the length properly is a heck of a lot, good practise to become skillfull is handling pyro.

 

[Engineer54]

To be honest i've never seen a pot just snap off the end of a MICC cable. Think you'd need to be giving that cable some abuse to see that happen myself!! That, or the pot wasn't screwed onto the cable far enough in the first place...

Most problems with pot's and/or low insulation values can be rectified quite straightforwardly, even if dealing with imperial/metric situations, if you know what you're doing!!

 

[Pete999]

I would like to see it reintroduced if possible purely to see how kids these days would handle clipping 7 or 8 side by side over a 3 meter run, it takes practise and skill to make it look neat and to get the pots the right length, the amouint of boards I have seen with the pot a foot inside it because the spark couldn't measure the length properly is a heck of a lot, good practise to become skillfull is handling pyro.

Quite right mate re introduce MICC into the training regime if only for an introduction

 

[Guest55]

theres nothing like a pyro thread to get the old timers grumbling about how things aint what they used to be.
yawn.

 

[MDJ]

To be honest i've never seen a pot just snap off the end of a MICC cable. Think you'd need to be giving that cable some abuse to see that happen myself!! That, or the pot wasn't screwed onto the cable far enough in the first place...

Most problems with pot's and/or low insulation values can be rectified quite straightforwardly, even if dealing with imperial/metric situations, if you know what you're doing!!

Totally agree 100%, what if you don't though? you are an experience engineer taught properly, the lads today never get shown it and when they come across it they have no idea how to handle it.

 

[Pete999]

theres nothing like a pyro thread to get the old timers grumbling about how things aint what they used to be.
yawn.

Thats not nice mate lol

 

[Silly Sausage]

What is this 'pyro' stuff I keep reading about on this here forum?

 

[Guest55]

Quite right mate re introduce MICC into the training regime if only for an introduction

think about that for a minute.
every trainee spark in the country has to be trained in a skill thats only used with any regularity in the petro-chem sector , which 99.9% of sparks will never operate in anyway.
not really a productive use of classroom time if were being perfectly honest.
our industry constantly moves forward with new methods and products and its only reasonable that the education system adapts accordingly.

 

[MDJ]

What is this 'pyro' stuff I keep reading about on this here forum?

:waving: hello M8, have you Sh$t the bed?

 

[telectrix]

i blame all these old pyromaniacs.

 

[MDJ]

think about about that for a minute.
every trainee spark in the country has to be trained in a skill thats only used with any regularity in the petro-chem sector , which 99.9% of sparks will never operate in anyway.
not really a productive use of classroom time if were being perfectly honest.
our industry constantly moves forward with new methods and products and its only reasonable that the education system adapts accordingly.

Morning Biff

 

[Engineer54]

Totally agree 100%, what if you don't though? you are an experience engineer taught properly, the lads today never get shown it and when they come across it they have no idea how to handle it.

Quite agree.

It's still quite common on petro-chem installs, vintage church installs, most prestige projects, especially public buildings, will among other things use MICC for fire alarms etc

We use MICC for all our fire alarm systems as well as in designated hazardous zones such as gas and some pharmaceutical storage areas... and it's a treat to see the multiples of cable runs back to the Master and slave panels etc dressed and fixed perfectly on cable trays.

 

[Pete999]

My first day at work 1962 polishing a great big bank of non sheathed MICCs with a brillo pad

 

[Patto]

They showed us pyro briefly on my level 2 2330 we made one pot off and that was it, I work on petrol stations and our sites have it everywere, im not experienced in it but have made a fair few ends off and I actually enjoy it :-S