QS and electrical Installation certificates

[Pete999]

Here's a first, I have a question regarding Domestic 3 signature EICs, not having much to do with Domestic for a very long time way before the onset of the introduction of the QS, as I understand it the 3 signatures required are: the Installation designer, the Installer and the QS, before the QS actually signs off the cert, does He/She have to carry out any testing? or is it just a case of checking the cert to ensure it has been filled out correctly?

 

[Pete999]

The only reason that they managed to keep in the scheme was they could see that I was trying. In the end it all came back to bit him.

Just goes to show that you can be a lone cowboy and get away with it or you can be a posse of cowboys and still get away with it, about time the CPS took a good look at themselves and got their act together, imo

 

[Toneyz]

Just goes to show that you can be a lone cowboy and get away with it or you can be a posse of cowboys and still get away with it, about time the CPS took a good look at themselves and got their act together, imo

There was only one person with the spurs there

 

[Pete999]

There was only one person with the spurs there

If it's rotten at the top then it's rotten through and through, just like an Apple, good job you got out Mate.

 

[hightower]

Can I take this thread a different way slightly for a minute, but based on a theme that has already been mentioned in brief. The model forms state they are for installations up to 100A - in the work I've been involved in this has been sufficient but what forms are used for bigger installs? Has anyone got a 100A+ model form, and where would they typically be used?

Thanks

 

[Strima]

So in effect if what you are saying is the norm, the QS is the fall guy should the brown stuff hits the fan?

This is where the good habit of getting everything in black and white and storing it for future reference comes into play.

Also going around and auditing sites during works and on completion not only ensures the work is being done correctly but also enables me to identify the less conscientious employees and apply a little more pressure on them to get the job done correctly.

My arse is covered if anything does go wrong. It pays to be proactive and be forceful with the management. It does take a lot of hard work to keep on top of things, good job I don't really care about upsetting management...

 

[Ian1981]

Good for him

Can I take this thread a different way slightly for a minute, but based on a theme that has already been mentioned in brief. The model forms state they are for installations up to 100A - in the work I've been involved in this has been sufficient but what forms are used for bigger installs? Has anyone got a 100A+ model form, and where would they typically be used?

Thanks

just use the standard electrical installation certificate.
The single phase 100amp ones are just less pages for the full scope single phase brings.

 

[Pete999]

This is where the good habit of getting everything in black and white and storing it for future reference comes into play.

Also going around and auditing sites during works and on completion not only ensures the work is being done correctly but also enables me to identify the less conscientious employees and apply a little more pressure on them to get the job done correctly.

My arse is covered if anything does go wrong. It pays to be proactive and be forceful with the management. It does take a lot of hard work to keep on top of things, good job I don't really care about upsetting management...

A valid point Strima, problem is that there are some unscrupulous managers out there, "toe the line or look for another job" and jobs are few and far between these days. You might say not these days employment protection and all that, that' OK if you work for a large employer who doesn't want an unfair dismissal tribunal hanging over them, but believe me if you rock the boat there are ways of getting rid of a, shall we say trouble maker.

 

[hightower]

just use the standard electrical installation certificate.
The single phase 100amp ones are just less pages for the full scope single phase brings.

You mean this one? That states it's only for use up to 100A?

 

[Ian1981]

You mean this one? That states it's only for use up to 100A?

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No the commercial ones

 

[hightower]

No the commercial ones

NOt sure which ones you mean bud

 

[Ian1981]

NOt sure which ones you mean bud

 

[hightower]

But that's assuming the person needing 100A+ forms is NICEIC registered.

 

[Ian1981]

But that's assuming the person needing 100A+ forms is NICEIC registered.

I've only ever worked for niceic companies so I don't know about other schemes certs , but I'd imagine you can get them

 

[hightower]

But surely if BS7671 is the rule book we all bow to, we should be able to get templates from there much like we can get forms for up to 100A.

 

[Toneyz]

I've only ever worked for niceic companies so I don't know about other schemes certs , but I'd imagine you can get them

Yes you can get the green version of this for non-NICEIC approved contractors