Quality work by a electrical trainee.....

[-Matt]

I thought you guys may be interested in these pics from a "spark" who did one of these 4 week courses and went straight to self employed!

This was for a house Re-wire, I actually quoted for this job originally but the house owner chose this contractor instead, but then contacted me afterwards to take a look as they were concerned by the work completed.

When I walked in and saw the work, I was truly shocked, it was truly dangerous!
I contacted the Niceic for the homeowner who have now completely Re-wired the house with another contractor under the platinum guarantee.
Original "Spark" is no longer registered, so its good to see the Niceic do take action!

This was apparently a finished job which she has been paid in full for

Anyway have fun with these :

C/U was moved, so quite rightly a switch fuse was installed, not so sure on the insulation methods mind:

Urm...., oh and thats data going behind the C/U there...

Wet pants is always wrapping his pipes around my cables, I know I will wrap my spaghetti around his pipes..

Meter tails and more chased horizontally through wall, not in a safe zone..

Now what is that bare wire for, lets poke it back out of the box...

Expanding foam doesn't seem to be working at fixing the boxes..., oh and that damn bare wire again! and no grommet!

Well the expanding foam wasn't working, lets just leave them hanging...

Its all too much work chopping the boxes into the wall..

Wago boxes are over-rated...

This surely has to be up there with the worst?

 

['mr2'gd4u]

Agree Murdoch, with a guarenteed random 5 visits over 12 months. Only need to be 20 minutes in most cases. The inspector could knock out 10 a day.

This would be awkward though wouldn't it? "so I'm off to inspect xxxx xxxxx today but have no idea where he is working" calls scheme member
"where you working today"
"sorry mate I'm on holiday, back in 2 weeks"

 

[ChrisElectrical88]

This would be awkward though wouldn't it? "so I'm off to inspect xxxx xxxxx today but have no idea where he is working" calls scheme member
"where you working today"
"sorry mate I'm on holiday, back in 2 weeks"

I was thinking more along the lines of conpleted jobs. Everyone submits certificates, could just get jobs and addresses fron them.

 

['mr2'gd4u]

I was thinking more along the lines of conpleted jobs. Everyone submits certificates, could just get jobs and addresses fron them.

That could work but then your relying on the client complying etc. Not saying it wouldn't work..

 

[Octopus]

This would be awkward though wouldn't it? "so I'm off to inspect xxxx xxxxx today but have no idea where he is working" calls scheme member
"where you working today"
"sorry mate I'm on holiday, back in 2 weeks"

That’s not an issue in most areas .... the assessor would then move on to the next on the list .....

AND if the assessors had a list of scheme members from all the schemes that would make them even more efficient

I’m with Stroma and they will only assess completed work, Elecsa would allow work in progress as long as there was something complete to test.

 

[Bob Geldoff1234]

Agree Murdoch, with a guarenteed random 5 visits over 12 months. Only need to be 20 minutes in most cases. The inspector could knock out 10 a day.

And how would the inspector know where the contractor is?
I can go to 5 jobs a day and some emergency calls outs so I cannot see how the inspector could catch up with you.

 

[Octopus]

And how would the inspector know where the contractor is?
I can go to 5 jobs a day and some emergency calls outs so I cannot see how the inspector could catch up with you.

But there are many people who may be at the same address for a week ....

 

[Baddegg]

Try and put a date on second fix when there are other trades involved......I do agree though,even as electrical trainee (yep 6) that things need sorting because the install this post is about is getting far more common, ironically I’m a electrical trainee (yep 6) because the short course “electricians” I was getting on my jobs were absolute pony and when the chippie knows more about installing what cables and where than the “spark” the industry is in trouble!

 

[GMES]

And who's going to pay for the assessor to make 5 visits a year to every contractor, not me as I pay enough every year.

 

[Baddegg]

Personally I would hold the training centres AND schemes to account, they are the people’s responsible for passing these people,having been through the system personally as it were, they are unable to teach the stuff outside of electrical theory that,especially in domestic work, is essential, Point proven by this donut holding back boxes in with foam wtf!
These people leave the centres with they confidence boosted having passed the exams and go straight out and quote ridiculous money for full rewires etc as they have no idea as to how a building actually works,not just from an electrical standpoint but in any way.
I’m not saying shut the centres as there are plenty of people that go through them for the right reasons, been in the trade years but no quals, leaving the military and need relevant quals or on some occasions people actually want to change careers and do make it work with hard work and the right attitude.
Just make them accountable when things like this happen........rant over where’s my beer!

 

[Fitzy]

You can’t ALWAYS blame these type of poor installs on the short course electricians, but as a usual you do as it’s so easy todo so. Fully trained, time served electricians have also done some of these atrocious installs as well over the years, as can be seen on YouTube and other forums and even this forum too. As of yet there’s NO proof this install was done by a short course electrician or a time served one either.

I’m proud to say that I took the Tradeskills4U route and completed their Bronze Electricians course which is actually 3 & half weeks in total (18 days), does this make me an electrician, NO, but on paper and based on the C&G’s exams I took (which nearly EVERY electrician has passed), I’m qualified and classed as a competent person to carry out domestic electrical work, but I am on a very, very long journey of gaining experience, which is never ever ending, even for the ‘time served’ electricians out there.

 

[Deuce]

I'm not a qualified spark, never will be. But I can say hand on heart I have never and would never do anything like this. It's not just length of training and years of experience, it's basic personal/professional standards that should keep work neat and correct.

I'll accept that some problems require a great deal of thought and experience. But.. "Should I wrap this cable around a hot water supply pipe" as just one example, is not one of them.

On another note, there is one key thing that comes from on site training and experience, and that's basic handyman skills. This guy doesn't have them.

 

[FatAlan]

I’d agree that courses are woefully inadequate, even at some of the colleges. Lots of reasons. One of my major bugbears is that exams in general in all subjects rely too much on computer multiple choice exams which are forumulaic and if you are good at working through books and mock tests are quite easy to pass.
Where do they teach how to approach a 50 year old installation with antiquated equipment, techniques for planning and rewiring a premises that may have been designed an built before electricity was invented.
Some of us take pride in our work and know their limitations. Unfortunately there are quite a few out there who don’t on both counts !

 

[solarsavings]

ALL the schemes need to introduce un announced site visits, on work in progress and completed notified works .....

Unless this happens, nothing will change

Crystal balls?

 

[johnduffell]

Clearly that contractor skipped the week where they mentioned professionalism. A course can teach you all you like but you have to care about what you're leaving behind.

 

[Midwest]

I’m with Stroma and they will only assess completed work, Elecsa would allow work in progress as long as there was something complete to test.

You could argue, whats completed can't really be inspected.