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Hava a mate who asked a question and as you know I am not up to speed with current regs, can you piggy back of a lighting circuit to power smoke detectors or not they will have a battery backup. It seems the build is a bit of a c0ck up and don't ask me about the missing pad stones. Just trying to help him out so he doesn't get screwed over, my builder is hopefully sorting out the pd stones issue, I have nicknamed him Marcellus Wallace for the time being.

I know the best way like what I did in my flat was to power them on their own dedicated circuit.
 
I'm in two minds about this. I have installed 2 smoke sets recently, one off the lighting circuit and one off a spare way in the CU. My thoughts are that the separate MCB circuit is better...if you think the green light won't show and that would alert you, yes..but frankly in rental properties I don't think you can rely on that. Tenants will notice if the lights are off, but not if the separate circuit with the smokes is dead.. However, I do feel that on balance it is more likely that a dedicated lighting circuit may blow when a lamp breaks down...these circuits are more "volatile"...so, with, say hall lights left on overnight, a lamp failure might kill the whole circuit, whereas it is much less likely for a smoke to trip if it is on its own circuit, as there is no other draw, and the "volatility" is therefore much lower. I would think that a lighting circuit with, say, 6 lamps, would be much more prone to blow than a dedicated smokes circuit with say 3 alarms drawing next to nothing...and as I only install smokes with 10 year lithium batteries, there is no real risk of being without cover even if the mains fails.
End result, if you install 10 year Li units, with radio-interconnect, it doesn't really matter which method you use, but on either, you will get an emergency warning tone from the alarms when the battery is getting low, regardless of the mains failure. However, in contrast, if your smokes do not have the battery backup, the less volatile installation is maybe better...off a spare mcb...less prone to tripping when a lamp fails...which will happen.
 
Lighting circuit always for me, be it rental or high end new build. That said have yet to come across a Domestic Smokie Circuit on its own MCB/Fuse that has tripped/blown the fuse of it's own accord...seems to be more to do with Oxygen Thiefs not being capable of changing a battery and a hammer being used to stop the detector bleeping.
 
Lighting circuit always for me, be it rental or high end new build. That said have yet to come across a Domestic Smokie Circuit on its own MCB/Fuse that has tripped/blown the fuse of it's own accord...seems to be more to do with Oxygen Thiefs not being capable of changing a battery and a hammer being used to stop the detector bleeping.
Oxygen Thief's, that's a good one
 
Cheers guys, his build is nearly completed so it would be a pain to run a new circuit so the best way would be off the lighting circuit, maybe the mains powered nest stuff as they talk to each other wirelessly andy thought on them?

I thought on smokes if they are dead and the battery backup voltage gets low then you get an annoying beep.
 
I thought on smokes if they are dead and the battery backup voltage gets low then you get an annoying beep.

is that similar to the annoying beep you hear when you tell a southerner "it's your round" ? :D:D:D:D
 
I thought on smokes if they are dead and the battery backup voltage gets low then you get an annoying beep.

is that similar to the annoying beep you hear when you tell a southerner "it's your round" ? :D:D:D:D
Not as annoying as a Northerner in a London pub looking sulkingly into his pint and realising that his benefits check will just about cover his round and a bag of pork scratchings....... ;o))))))
 
benefit check???? up here in the civilised world we get paid direct into our bank/s. ( that's usually a red brick structure next to all the closed shops on the high street, easily identified, being staffed by southern accents coming through whitened teeth showing a permanent grin until you ask for an extension to your overdraft).
 
it's getting as bad up here. some of these "food with your sprogs" are charging nearly ÂŁ4 /pint. that's when they can drag themselves away from making 12 cappichinos for the veggie water drinkers.
 
My SELECT assessor advised me that smoke and heat alarms should be wired via a dedicated circuit using 1.5mm, or via an existing lighting circuit using 1.0/1.5 mm. I was further advised that if connecting to an existing lighting circuit, the supply should be run taken direct from the consumer unit rather than via a loop-in connection at a lighting-point or switch.

I can see a problems arising when the 18th edition comes into effect and all circuits are required to have additional RCD protection.
 

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