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I know this subject has been done to death and I have my opinion on it but today in a domestic property new build only 3 years old. Meter tails behind plaster no protection with even capping just clipped direct. Dual rcd board in the house. Tails 8 meters long switch fuse outside in Meter box. What would you protect the Tails with?
 
I've found this on job before told customer to get in touch with company who sold them the property. Noted on cert couldn't do much about it offered to replace with swa but they didn't want house ripping apart and my bill for doing so.
but could you have just cut back the original tails ..left them in the wall and found an alternative route for an WSA....as i`m advising Onions to do?
 
You've got two choices tell customer your concerns if they agree replace with swa, but even this may not stop a nail if as you say the route tails take are in prime location for this to happen and rip their house apart and increase their bill by the cost or do the job you came to do and note on cert and invoice . Can't make customers have work done they don't want. Understand your concerns but you haven't left the installation anymore unsafe than before you started and unless you condem the whole instalation as dangerous enough to issue a danger notice what can you do next bloke won't think twice about it.
 
you'd have to be a complete lunatic to even contemplate burying tails in a domestic without steel conduit.

just think what will happen when mr diy / dave the kitchen fitter hits a cable thats backed up only by a 100A bs88 ??
yep , blow your face clean off.

and fitting a rcd wont help much either due to tails being seperate individual cables means the only the live could get hit , competely missing the neutral and your rcd will sleep through the whole incident.
it needs to come out to be honest , its dangerous.
 
you'd have to be a complete lunatic to even contemplate buring tails in a domestic without steel conduit.

just think what will happen when mr diy / dave the kitchen fitter hits a cable thats backed up only by a 100A bs88 ??
yep , blow your face clean off.

and fitting a rcd wont help much either due to tails being seperate individual cables means the only the live could get hit , competely missing the neutral and your rcd will sleep through the whole incident.
it needs to come out to be honest , its dangerous.

Agree totally. Removing is the way forward. Cheers guys have a good weekend
 
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but could you have just cut back the original tails ..left them in the wall and found an alternative route for an WSA....as i`m advising Onions to do?[/QUOTE]
Yeh was going to do that glenn but still would cause lot of damage to decor. Some customer just think your making it up to get more money especially if the house is a newish build which they expect to have been done correctly in first place
 
you'd have to be a complete lunatic to even contemplate burying tails in a domestic without steel conduit.

just think what will happen when mr diy / dave the kitchen fitter hits a cable thats backed up only by a 100A bs88 ??
yep , blow your face clean off.

and fitting a rcd wont help much either due to tails being seperate individual cables means the only the live could get hit , competely missing the neutral and your rcd will sleep through the whole incident.
it needs to come out to be honest , its dangerous.

Current would still go to earth (via you), rather than returning through the neutral though. RCD should still trip. Obviously I'm not defending the current situation though (little pun there for you). Daz
 
Current would still go to earth (via you), rather than returning through the neutral though. RCD should still trip. Obviously I'm not defending the current situation though (little pun there for you). Daz

theoretically , you may be correct.

but would you like to prove your theory , possibly whilst wearing rubber sole trainers ?

i doubt it. ;-)

and under dead short fault conditions , a 100a bs88 will blow way way faster than a rcd , in which time your face will resemble a toasted mess.
 
you'd have to be a complete lunatic to even contemplate burying tails in a domestic without steel conduit.

just think what will happen when mr diy / dave the kitchen fitter hits a cable thats backed up only by a 100A bs88 ??
yep , blow your face clean off.

and fitting a rcd wont help much either due to tails being seperate individual cables means the only the live could get hit , competely missing the neutral and your rcd will sleep through the whole incident.
it needs to come out to be honest , its dangerous.

Correct that it should be changed. But your incorrect regarding RCD. It wont sleep though incident, if someone drills it will short to earth through the drill, the imbalance would trip RCD. If someone nailed it and hit line tail it would fault to earth through them , limit shock and disconnect. It wouldn't disconnect just on BS88 fuse.
 

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