Regulation what exactly???

[Jabbajaws]

Im stopping at my friends house, dogsitting and whilst having a snoop, l have noticed that there is a 30mA RCCB protecting the cooker circuit wired in 6mm sq twin&earth to a Wylex 3036 Board.

It was installed by a kitchen-fitting company, who as part of the kitchen package, fitted a metallic microwave oven, fed by a single socket outlet (part of the cooker circuit) and a metallic gas oven, with an electric fan and timer control circuit ( also the same circuit ) which is fed from a location that l cannot see without taking the cooker apart (not a good idea). Im assuming its maybe a hidden socket outlet.

The RCCB has been added externally to the old wylex board, and l cannot find the reg that requires it to be fitted to this circuit. (Kitchen companies would not do this if it wasn't required by regs, im thinking.)

Heres my query.

Why would a kitchen company fit an RCD to protect a gas oven?

Is this to do with Exposed parts in the regs? which l was thinking it must be but l cant find it.

Does anyone know what the Reg number is please?

 

[leesparks]

If it feeds a socket it needs one
most of the kitchen companys will fit an RCD to any additions

When i was doing kitchen refurbs in council houses about 4 years ago
I had to bring the whole house up to standard.
Replace tails from16 to 25
Upgrade earth to 16mm2
Upgrade gas and water bond
Remove any Light fittings that were fitted incorectly or wrong type (for bathrooms)
Replace switchboard
Alter existing ring not to include kitchen
Wire a new ring for the Kitchen(they only allowed 3 doubles s/o)
Provide a certificate for the whole house listing all deviations and what version of the regs they had originally been done to.

The builder said "can you give me a price they only want 1 extra socket and move the cooker to suit"
Good job i read the councill spec as 200 houses needed doing.

 

[Deleted member 9648]

I once got called to a house which had bought a new oven and paid curry's to fit it,the guy who delivered it said they couldnt connect it because 'half the CU was new and half was old' !!
Turned out it was a split load and the cooker circuit was not on the RCD,pre 17th but nothing wrong with that.
I've also seen cookers not connected by delivery companies who have left a form stating that it couldnt be connected because the earth loop impedance was >1ohm. There was no reference to the protective device so I guess they use this figure for all situations,including TT!!!
In other words kitchen fitters and delivery/appliance connection operatives dont know their arsenal from their elbow.

 

[mogga]

I had an argument with Currys Manager when my friends mum 65ish phoned her in a hell of a state as the guy from Currys told her her house wiring was dangerous and illegal whats wrong with a wylex rewirable fuse board Nothing apart from it old
She was in some state all due to a Half trained nitwit I Managed to get her delivery reimbursed and £50 for her inconvienience

 

[nickblake]

I had an elderly customer 89 she was arthritis in her hand couldnt climb , she was told by two electricians working for social serices that it was illegal to have the bathroom extract on with the lights they installed another pull switch to switch on the fan ,installed a down flow heater with a fused spur and put in a mains board so high you couldnt reach it just for the heater , no thought and to top it off they gave her a minor works certificate !made my blood boil

 

[Des 56]

I once got called to a house which had bought a new oven and paid curry's to fit it,the guy who delivered it said they couldnt connect it because 'half the CU was new and half was old' !!
Turned out it was a split load and the cooker circuit was not on the RCD,pre 17th but nothing wrong with that.
I've also seen cookers not connected by delivery companies who have left a form stating that it couldnt be connected because the earth loop impedance was >1ohm. There was no reference to the protective device so I guess they use this figure for all situations,including TT!!!
In other words kitchen fitters and delivery/appliance connection operatives dont know their arsenal from their elbow.

i expect they must think spurs are a good footballing side

 

[Guest123]

You say they added a single socket for the microwave on the same circuit as the oven......that socket would need RCD protection.

 

[Jabbajaws]

Do you know it never even crossed my mind about the socket, which it should have done.

Im not actually working in the trade yet, due to expensive set up costs, but l am qualified, though that seems to mean Naff all these days.

Im currently performing visuals checks, everywhere l go, as a means of not forgetting stuff, including the Regs. Thats why l ask so many questions...

Thank You for all your input

 

[Guest123]

No worries....I'm always looking at other electrical work too....thats just coz I'm sad though.

 

[cbw]

Me to Lenny,
nearly took a picture of a fused spur right in the 'splash' zone of the toilet in my local shell garage !!!!

Very easy if you get the shakes to end it all there!!!