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Today i have been carrying out some remedial work after an EICR was carried out on a residential property. Aswell as the list of remedial works to be carried out i also had draft copies of the EICR which was carried out in November of last year.

When i started to read through the list of observations, which were carried out by another engineer, there were a large number of C1 and C2 items. Now the way i understood it and please tell me if im wrong is that any C1 observations have to be made safe at the time of discovery even if just a temporary fix. The way i had it explained to me was that imagine a doctor walking past someone in the street who had collapsed. Point being they wouldnt as they still have a duty of care to that profession, just as i do as an electrician if i see somthing that is dangerous. Reason i ask is that obviously the initial EICR was done 4 months ago.

Im still very much gaining experience when it comes to EICR so it was interesting to read through some of the observations made. Another one which caught my eye was the lack of isolation points ( key switches ) for the emergency lighting, this was given a C2. As part of the remedial work this is somthing else we are attending to although i think the code may be a little harsh? Would a C3 have been more appropriate in this instant?
 
All good and well fixing C1s there and then, but let me paint a quick scenario. There's 8 hours worth of C1 remedials needed and the customer isn't going to pay for them. Are you gonna stay and do them for free? In other words - an EICR is exactly what it says it is: a report.
 
I understand both points, but lets say were talking about exposed live parts would you be happy to walk away having only noted it on the report? I appreciate that you couldnt start to put every C1 right as you find them but the moment you started to come across more and more would you not stop and inform whoever has ordered the work?
 
I think we need to understand what these C1 ' s were , as they may not have been C1' s
Struggling to remember off the top of my head i think one was no bonding to incoming water service and another was a socket that was hanging off the wall, it just needed screwing back. There were a couple more but like i say struggling to remember.
 
No bonding to incoming service is a C2, something else has to happen for that to be a danger.

As for the socket, I think as part of my inspection I would have had it fully off the wall just to check the connections and then replaced it properly and not even mentioned it. And yes, I know that goes against what I've said above. Now, if it couldn't be screwed back on because the threads were shot or something, I'd C1 that all day long.

If the home owner or tenant was there, I might make some enquiries about how it happened, but beyond that, just screw it back in place and move on.
 
Key switches for the emergency lighting are test facilities and not isolation. This should have warranted no Code.
Agreed, and an EICR is to BS7671 and not BS5266 so it's difficult to see what Regulation they are claiming is breached unless you include the one about associated Standards, of which BS5266 is one.
 
How is a socket outlet hanging off the wall exposing live parts not a C1 observation?

As I said, I'd probably whip it off, check everything is ok and screw it back in place properly. Then it's been made safe and doesn't warrant a code, but probably worthy of a comment on a continuation sheet. If I could not screw it back properly, then I'd grade accordingly and report.
 
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If it takes more time to write up and report I'd just fix. Otherwise I isolate the circuit and advise the person ordering the work. If they decide to re-energise that's their call.
 

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