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Hi all, did a ccu change for a landlord in a 2 bed terrace house. Did visual check on lighting cpc and rest of installation prior to doing the job.
First i installed 10mm main earth to gas pipe near meter and then removed old ccu. All cables to the ccu were of pvc t&e type and were prob 15-20 years old but visually sound. I removed all light bulbs and all plugs and turned off switched fused spur for boiler. I then proceeded to do dead tests. First had earth fault on Down stairs lights. Found that loose cpc on 1 of the lights, so repaired that and moved on to next circuit. All sockets are on the same ring. When testing the ring found that at present the ring was not complete, only rN was and had a reading of 0.51 ohms both the cpc and r1 were not complete. So b4 i continued, i removed every socket and spur front plate and checked for loose connections or wires out. Did not find any, so suspect loose or missing connections in a joint box or boxes under floor up stairs. Moved on to upstairs lighting, removed covers off all drops or removed light fittings to gain access to wiring. All looked well and tested ok. tested rest of circuits and then installed ccu. did Ze and pfc and then tested rest of the circuits. Ring circuit resistance was ok but due to the ring not being complete Zs was higher in 2 sockets(not spurs) max Zs in All but 2 sockets was 1.12 and the max out of the other 2 was 1.29. The Zs test for the upstairs lights was the 1 that had me confused. When i tried to do Zs on any of the up stairs lights the test meter did not like it and indicated an earth neutral fault, so i rechecked all of the light fittings and looked in the attic for joint boxes but found no fault. So did rcd tests, which were 26mS and 12mS on 1 split and 12mS and 13.9 on the other split. switched on and all was well. Later on found out that the alarm is wired in the Up stairs lights, suspect this was the neutral earth fault caused by its transformer. Would you issue the cirt and mention ring fault on it and the tell land lord that it needs to be fix or refuse to issue cirt until rectified but risk not getting paid. Any help or corrective comments very welcome as at the end of the day i wish to do things right and safe. Thanks in advance.:confused::eek:
 
Thanks, i was going to put a 20Amp mcb in as you say to be safe, but did not have one at the time. I will be seeing the land lord shortley to give him an estimate for fault location and repair if he does not want it done then i will at least go and change the breaker for a 20amp 1 for piece of mind. cheers.:)
 
It was my belief that when I change a cu all circuits then become 'mine' and all faults also become mine and need to be rectified before re energising......Is this not the case?

I have allways tested old circuits to 'death' before quoting for the work, if the above is not the case then am i wasting my time and losing work?

CBW
 
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It was my belief that when I change a cu all circuits then become 'mine' and all faults also become mine and need to be rectified before re energising......Is this not the case?

I have allways tested old circuits to 'death' before quoting for the work, if the above is not the case then am i wasting my time and losing work?

CBW


It is recommended that a PIR is carried out before a board change, however, you can get away with a little site survey, like described above, a visual on the condition of the installation, checking what circuit controls what etc. When I do a board change and its a quoted job, I simple state the price of the change, explain that faults may be found when changing the board and that faults will be rectified on a time and material basis. Never been a problem in the past
 
Hi.

I would normally do I/R tests on an existing board prior to a swap...just to prepare yourself and the customer for any faults thay may be lurking and need repairing. I find that if the customer knows beforehand they're fine with it but if after you change the board and then start coming up with extra work some can be a bit funny and think you're trying it on. Just IMO.:)
 
So, following the issue of the certificates and notification, does Jackdor now own those faulty circuits and all responsibility attatched?

I always thought this was the case.

Does my blooming head in...............
 
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So, following the issue of the certificates and notification, does Jackdor now own those faulty circuits and all responsibility attatched?

I always thought this was the case.

Does my blooming head in...............


Providing his findings are clearly stated on his EIC then no, if the customer refuses remedial work, we can only advise.
 
Thanks chaps, all is well had a word with the landlord in question and explained to him my findings and why i had put what i put on the cirt. I advised him that the circuit was not safe as was basically 2 large radial circuits on 1 32 Amp mcb and that this was to high to protect the circuit and that 2.5 was not big enough for 2 large radials. I explained that the problem may be in one or more joint boxes as all sockets where checked at the time of testing. But may be move involved. I then gave him an esimate for the repair and told him that i would do him a new cirt for the ccu change when the repaired circuit passed. I also told him that if he did not want me to repair the circuit that i would go back and change the 32Amp mcb for a 20Amp to a least give the circuit increased overload protection.(i would have done this at the time, but didnt have 1 with me and it was 6pm on friday). The landlord then told me to go a head and do the work estimated for. So piece of mind for me and the tennant in the house.:):)
 
Hi guy's, just a quick up date on my findings. Turns out i traced the fault to a section of cable coming down the loung wall. Plaster and paint work were sound and smooth so i was surprised to find that the cable when removed had a hole through the middle of if and the R1 and R2 had melted, there fore breaking continuety of both. All i can guess is that some one had in the past been putting dado rail up(perfect hight where damaged) and gone through the cable. Then plastered over hole while suppy was off and then re-energised the circuit. just hilights why we test. cheers.:)
 

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