Ross Kemp and the Armed please

[Squid]

This particular chap had a penchant for collecting. Collected his own pooh & kept in the fridge, shed loads of magazines, ---- memorably, Beatrice Potter books & some large live shell casings, amongst other things. Quietly living his life aware in some copse.

Damn I have some live shell casings somewhere and my Aunt in Poland in her summer house has a stack of white plates with a Swastika on the underside.......... we is un der suspicion.......

 

[telectrix]

Damn I have some live shell casings somewhere and my Aunt in Poland in her summer house has a stack of white plates with a Swastika on the underside.......... we is un der suspicion.......

better not allow any Greeks near them plates then.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Dunno where this 4 inches comes from anyway?

Autopsy.
Coroner determined the shots to the head were fired from a distance of between 1cm and 8cm.

 

[Midwest]

Autopsy.
Coroner determined the shots to the head were fired from a distance of between 1cm and 8cm.

Presumably, there're the ones that went into the poor chaps head, not the ones that missed?

 

[Pete999]

So I've just watched the first episode. What can I say other than scary times, it was based in the Midlands this week, it is frightening how many guns are on our streets and how many youngsters are prepared to use them.
Talking to several Armed officers it became clear that they believe all police officers should be armed with at very least a sidearm.

I constantly cling onto the hope that we are a better country than most and it scares me that if all officers are armed we will end up like America, having said that Ross raised a good point by saying why should we expect our police to respond to armed criminals whilst not armed themselves.
I don't know if they should all be armed but I realistically think it will end up that way.
What are your thoughts!!!

Sorry in advance, I was in the please force at School, please Sir can I be excused, I did apologize.

 

[Midwest]

Back on topic, found this piece in The Guardian;

UK police chiefs discuss officers routinely carrying guns - https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/may/17/uk-police-chiefs-discuss-officers-routinely-carrying-guns

Seems if they did go ahead with arming of police, they will do it on the cheap. Current courses for AFO's are about 7 weeks, not the 2 weeks suggested in Mr Chesterman paper.

Not withstanding the 7 week course is for both hand guns & carbines etc; and also currently monthly training whereas the suggestion is just two days per year including refresher training & qualification shoots. Dunno what Chief is going to sign up for that, without substantially increasing their public liability cover.

 

[elsparko]

So I've just watched the first episode. What can I say other than scary times, it was based in the Midlands this week, it is frightening how many guns are on our streets and how many youngsters are prepared to use them.
Talking to several Armed officers it became clear that they believe all police officers should be armed with at very least a sidearm.

I constantly cling onto the hope that we are a better country than most and it scares me that if all officers are armed we will end up like America, having said that Ross raised a good point by saying why should we expect our police to respond to armed criminals whilst not armed themselves.
I don't know if they should all be armed but I realistically think it will end up that way.
What are your thoughts!!!

arm the police and the "criminals" will seek to defend themselves to the same standard, not all police officers are good people, nor are they all of the mental capability to carry a firearm, let alone discharge it upon a human.

 

[elsparko]

american criminal system promotes having a shootout with the police, who wants to go to jail for 10 consecutive life sentences? might aswell take your chances and blast away

 

[Midwest]

not all police officers are good people.

Thats a kinda bold statement. Not withstanding we select are cops from within are community. Some ne'er do wells do get through the selection process, but the bad'ens soon fall over themselves.

 

[elsparko]

Thats a kinda bold statement. Not withstanding we select are cops from within are community. Some ne'er do wells do get through the selection process, but the bad'ens soon fall over themselves.

"we" dont select them, whoever puts themselves forward and passes the very basic entry tests can become a police officer

 

[elsparko]

Hundreds of police officers convicted - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-33635962

 

[Nigel]

"we" dont select them, whoever puts themselves forward and passes the very basic entry tests can become a police officer

What do you think is the basic entry test?

 

[elsparko]

What do you think is the basic entry test?

a watered down version of the military entry process, which is easy peasy, basic fitness examination and teamwork capabilities etc.

the police are barely responsible with what they have currently, no need to arm them and make the problem 100x worse

a builder i worked for had a son who played football for a living, but because he didnt do as a police officer ordered in an instant he got his arm shattered by a baton on a night out in a quiet village

most people in the police can barely handle the power they have without getting all uppity about themselves, the good ones are the least common denominator

i dont even pay attention to the glorified security guards that roam around in panda cars, if it isnt traffic or undercover police they literally dont matter.

 

[elsparko]

A 2012 report into police corruption in England and Wales by the IPCC noted the prevalence of the serious offences referred to them from 2008 to 2011; perverting the course of justice (33%), theft or fraud (30%), abuse of authority (15%), unauthorised disclosure of information (13%), and misuse of systems (9%).[212] The IPCC received 837 referrals during this period, mostly from UK citizens.[212] 47 cases were referred for prosecution, resulting in ten prison sentences, one suspended sentence and one fine.[212] As a result of all investigations into the corruption and misconduct of UK police and staff between 1 April 2013 and 31 March 2014, 134 police officers and staff were dismissed, while a further 711 faced disciplinary sanctions.[210] 103 Metropolitan Police officers were also suspended during this period.[213] Offences included drug related offences, bribery, theft or fraud, sexual misconduct, and information disclosure, where information disclosure and theft or fraud were the most common offences.[210][213] The Directorate of Professional standards considers the "exploitation of staff through inappropriate relationships with journalists, private investigators and criminals" the biggest threat to police integrity.[213]

 

[Nigel]

a watered down version of the military entry process, which is easy peasy, basic fitness examination and teamwork capabilities etc.

the police are barely responsible with what they have currently, no need to arm them and make the problem 100x worse

a builder i worked for had a son who played football for a living, but because he didnt do as a police officer ordered in an instant he got his arm shattered by a baton on a night out in a quiet village

most people in the police can barely handle the power they have without getting all uppity about themselves, the good ones are the least common denominator

i dont even pay attention to the glorified security guards that roam around in panda cars, if it isnt traffic or undercover police they literally dont matter.

Yep you have no idea.