Running cable in a new build.

[Breaker]

I was working with a contractor as part of my Electrical Trainee course and we were wiring a new build.

I noticed that the time served and apprentice trained sparky was telling me to run the cables through and around rsj's and into un-accesable places. I mentioned to him that if he would have to come back to this property in 20 years would he find it easy to work on because of where he has run the cables. He shrugged his shoulders and said it's quicker this way.

I was trained on my Electrical Trainee course to think ahead and it's also good practice to think about future sparky's who may have to work on the property while carrying out additional work. I mentioned to him it would be better to run the cable under the floorboards but he didn't want to drill the holes.

So is it best to think like a Electrical Trainee and plan ahead or like the apprentice trained sparky, do it the easiest and quickest way?

Thanks.

 

[MDJ]

Okay fella

 

[Geordie Spark]

I'm not even sure that choosing a cable route even comes into a Electrical Trainee-v-TimeServed contest....(compliance with regs assumed either way) it's just common sense and practicality, surely?

I've seen some old boys lay cable really stupidly!!

I was trying my best and it was the way me Grandad showed me, but he was a carpenter.

( Me Granny was no lady though. )

 

[Breaker]

Oh well, every time I come on here I will be called a troll now so no point really. All the best everyone and thanks to those who didn't take everything I said the wrong way.

 

[Andy78]

Please come back when you have learnt to accept criticism, express yourself clearly, and not spit your dummy, as this is a very informative forum that could help expand your knowledge base as you gain experience.

 

[Rockingit]

THIS THREAD is a prime example of what was being referred to in this one: http://www.electriciansforums.co.uk...its-unprofessional-not-funny-forum-going.html (apologies to those that can't see it as it's in the Arms).

I think several of you should go away and have a decent think about exactly why you are here, and how, exactly, you have helped a new member who came here quite honestly, openly and with a decent enough question.

 

[MDJ]

I completed my five weeks last June. I started my 5 weeks 2 years before that. In that time I have been working on and off for free and I have only just applied for my first job as a sparky. The company I had the interview with know the score and will be training me with more experienced sparky's and not paying me as much, of course. I know the score, they know the score, seems that you guy's don't though.

Sorry my reply earlier was just an okay fella as I was on my I-phone and I do not like texting on it. After seeing this reply from you I now understand your original OP a little better. Perhaps in Hindsight it may have been better if you had given us a little more information in the OP. Now you have confirmed you have at least 2 years experience I would have replied to your OP in a different way than my first reply which favoured the Time served apprentice. As for my second reply you did assume I knew less than you as you suggested "you knew" but "I didn't" regarding rules about cable containment and installation Methods. I would suggest you come back forget what has happened thus far in the thread, firstly because it is now a different thread now we have more information from you, and secondly it was an interesting OP which quickly got out of hand due to a lack of information mentioned in the OP.

 

[MDJ]

I think several of you should go away and have a decent think about exactly why you are here,.

I am not going anywhere unless the team Ban me. If they do after reading my replies here then it will be unjust. If you read My first reply it was a genuine and honest reply to the question, My other reply before the one above this reply was due to suggestions I did not know as much as him regarding installation method. I have replied now regarding that and feel it was not rude, not offensive, racist, homophobic or indeed any form of internet bullying. I would like to reply a little more regarding your post but would most definitely offend you which I would not want to do.

 

[guest119]

Looking at the big picture Breaker, you admit to being a Electrical Trainee looking for a shortcut into the industry and come on here to ask for advice so that you can go and take our jobs from us.
Does that sum up your intention and maybe explain some of the hastle?
You may, or then again may not, get a more sympathetic response on the diy section.

Boydy

 

[Octopus]

Back to the OP, I actually applaud his honesty and the way he positioned the question... and to this extent many other members could well learn. So carry on learning, and next time you see this sort of dodgy wiring, whip out your phone and take a picky or 2 then post them.

People assume that 15th, 16th or 17th educated means you follow the rules but many don't and won't change.

The forum will help those who ask questions in a constructive way - don't be put off.

 

[MDJ]

Back to the OP, I actually applaud his honesty and the way he positioned the question... .

like this=
So is it best to think like a Electrical Trainee and plan ahead or like the apprentice trained sparky, do it the easiest and quickest way?
I know they train apprentices different today than 20 years ago with NVQS etc, but I didn't realise only people taking short courses were trained properly.

 

[Octopus]

like this=
So is it best to think like a Electrical Trainee and plan ahead or like the apprentice trained sparky, do it the easiest and quickest way?
I know they train apprentices different today than 20 years ago with NVQS etc, but I didn't realise only people taking short courses were trained properly.

I'm not looking for an argument but the way I read it was that a Electrical Trainee had a better idea about cable runs in walls than 2 very time served sparks. That's all.

 

[MDJ]

I'm not looking for an argument but the way I read it was that a Electrical Trainee had a better idea about cable runs in walls than 2 very time served sparks. That's all.

Me neither fair enough. Without seeing the install as Darkwood mentioned in post 2 which I also mentioned though it is difficult to know what actually happened, I have said before here that I don't feel like I used any malice in my reply in post 3 to the OP, and everything else has just escalated now and got silly, I will leave this be now, it may well be the case that the time served sparks work was not actually as bad as it has been made out to be, a picture speaks a thousand words.

 

[Octopus]

Me neither fair enough. Without seeing the install as Darkwood mentioned in post 2 which I also mentioned though it is difficult to know what actually happened, I have said before here that I don't feel like I used any malice in my reply in post 3 to the OP, and everything else has just escalated now and got silly, I will leave this be now, it may well be the case that the time served sparks work was not actually as bad as it has been made out to be, a picture speaks a thousand words.

Well.... it started off by a question about cable runs and nobody decides on a new cable run which involves drilling more joists than necessary .... so I read the OP as if he wanted other opinions on how things get decided. As for the muppets he describes ....... they should know better.

 

[MDJ]

they should know better.

What is wrong with running cables around an RSJ if it is then boxed in and the cables hidden if they are protected by RCD? no different than stud partitioning surely? Admittedly I would avoid that method myself and consider an alternative route because I would not personally like to install cables in that way, however are the sparks really muppets for doing it that way? as I mentioned a picture speaks a thousand words, it may well be the Job is a total balls up and they are muppets, but running cables in a void which is what it would be if they were enclosed around a RSJ and hidden by plaster board which is fixed to wooden noggins around it is not against the regs is it?

 

[Breaker]

Looking at the big picture Breaker, you admit to being a Electrical Trainee looking for a shortcut into the industry and come on here to ask for advice so that you can go and take our jobs from us.
Does that sum up your intention and maybe explain some of the hastle?
You may, or then again may not, get a more sympathetic response on the diy section.

Boydy

I think that sums up your attitude perfectly. Unfortunately not mine. When all the new guys have gone and wont join this forum you are all going to start on each other. That's how most forums on the internet end up. You are going the same way. Like I said, all the best and I am out of here you will be glad to know. I will get my advise face to face with sparky's in the future because you don't get all this ********.