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Hi,

I know this is a very commonly debated topic, but I have never found a solution agreed by a majority.

I am in the process of building a wooden shed, approximately 20metres from the house (up to 30 metre cable run to the CU and meter cut out). I have a PME/TNCS supply to the property and no extraneous metallic services/structures in the shed. I would like to install a handful of IP rated sockets both inside and to the exterior of the shed, along with an interior LED light and a couple of LED floodlights/bulkhead lights outside (it will be next to my patio/seating area).

My proposal is to install a 40A RCBO, supplying a glanded SWA cable (earth connected to house CU earth). The SWA will be ducted (to allow replacement-I'm thinking of the long term as I don't intend on moving again, and to allow provision of other services possibly). This SWA would then enter the shed and terminate in to a garage type CU with RCD mainswitch, one 20a MCB for sockets and a 6a MCB for my lighting requirements. I propose not to connect the earth of the SWA to the shed CU so as not to export the earth, but instead use a sufficiently deep enough earth rod (depth dependent on testing of course) and connect this to the shed CU via a 10mm earth cable to provide a local TT arrangement.

My question is, does this seem the safest way of installing such a shed supply? I realise that most people wouldn't duct the SWA, etc. but as I am doing the garden up, it's my own house and I do not intend on moving, I wish it to be future proof (able to replace SWA if ever necessary, etc.) Likewise, I would prefer to have a separate CU in the shed to allow future increased loads, although initially there will be no, "heavy duty" workshop tools/high current loads.

Would I be better using a time delay RCBO at the house to allow discrimination between that and the house RCD? Would I be best terminating the SWA in to a plastic enclosure prior to the shed CU to ensure the SW does not touch and
innadvertantly earth the shed CU?

I'm used to working on industrial, rolling stock based installations, rather than domestic installations, so please excuse any question that may seem obvious!
 
FFS.….it's a shed with a few sockets and a few led lights with no other services.
I'd be very surprised if the load is going to be anywhere near 30 amps. Get a run of 6mm 3 core swa, from main CU to shed CU, put in from a 32A mcb. No jointing, easy to run and no rcd protection needed, except at the shed.

Unless you're thinking of putting in a hot tub or sauna,
that is.;)
16mm 4 core.....you could feed a decent size indoor swimming pool with that...
 
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FFS.….it's a shed with a few sockets and a few led lights with no other services.
I'd be very surprised if the load is going to be anywhere near 30 amps. Get a run of 6mm 3 core swa, from main CU to shed CU, put in from a 32A mcb. No jointing, easy to run and no rcd protection needed, except at the shed.

Unless you're thinking of putting in a hot tub or sauna,
that is.;)
16mm 4 core.....you could feed a decent size indoor swimming pool with that...

IPF, I thought I mentioned it in an earlier post, but maybe not: I'm trying to future proof the installation and the Mrs Ashton does keep mentioning a hot tub. I know the 16mm is overkill, but it is free and I'm a tight Yorkshireman. :laughing:

I might just go with the original idea of ducting it (also got some available for free!) And use the smaller SWA.....even if I do have to buy it. :laughing: At least if Mrs Ashton decides on a hot tub eventually, it doesn't mean ripping up the garden!
 
IPF, I thought I mentioned it in an earlier post, but maybe not: I'm trying to future proof the installation and the Mrs Ashton does keep mentioning a hot tub. I know the 16mm is overkill, but it is free and I'm a tight Yorkshireman. :laughing:

I might just go with the original idea of ducting it (also got some available for free!) And use the smaller SWA.....even if I do have to buy it. :laughing: At least if Mrs Ashton decides on a hot tub eventually, it doesn't mean ripping up the garden!
Fair enough, Lewis. 16mm 4core will be difficult to work with and is real over kill. Even future proofing, 10mm 3 core will suffice, easily, and you wont find many more problems installing that rather than 10mm T+E, plus you've got your 10mm earth for bonding. Use a m/clad adaptable box or isolator, next to the CU for termination, if you have problems terminating directly.
Good luck and let us know how you go on with it.

edit. PS...….tight yorkie t*** ;)
 
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Duly noted IPF, and I know that you are right and I should really dip my hand in my pocket and just buy the 10mm 3core (found 25metres for around ÂŁ80 online which doesn't seem too bad). My "back of a smoke packet" calculations give me a load of up to 60A before I would need to worry about cable size. Even a couple of sockets, some lights and the fanciest hot tub Mrs A can find isn't going to pull more than 60A.

I should be good on the SWA termination at the CU; I got a good deal on one of the large Schnieder CU's when the house was rewired. So much easier to work with than some of the poxy little CU's you find!

I just hope she doesn't see your post about a swimming pool.....she may get ideas. :weary:

I shall let you know how I get on with it; it'll be a few weeks yet. I'm just recovering from putting up 30 odd bays of concrete post & gravelboard fencing, and on day 5 of 12 at work. :confounded:

Thanks for your clear and concise suggestions IPF; it is very much appreciated.
 

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