Shop installs - niceic domestic installer

[waitees]

Hello

I have had many different answers from local electricians regarding the domestic installer scheme. I have been registered with niceic for nearly a year and have been recently asked to rewire a shop with the top floor turning into 3 flats up stairs. It is currently 3 phase being changed to single phase with new separate supplies for each flat. My question is I know it will be ok to certificate the flats upstairs but where do I stand in terms of the shop as this technically comes under commercial and I hardly see worth registering as electrical contractor as most of our work is domestic and it costs a lot !

Can you guys point me in the right direction ??

 

[telectrix]

if you feel competent doing the work in the shop premises, then go for it. the same regs. apply. just some times the equipment is different.

 

[sjm]

The point of domestic installer is that you are registered and therefore able to notify and certify your own domestic work. I don't think, but am prepared to be corrected, that commercial work needs to be notified (unless planning permission was required, in which case a copy of your EIC should be given to the building control officer in charge of the job). It will need to be certified however and you should not use your domestic installer certificates for the shop (commercial) install. You can get normal Green (blank) certs from the NIC and use these with no problem for the shop part. If you're competent then you're competent.

Good luck.

 

[bugsy]

If your registered wih NIC for DIS you can change to Approved Contactor ( when your renewals due ) for the same fee ( plus the obligatory inspection)
although your DIS there is nothing to stop you doing commercial

 

[telectrix]

so., waitees 3-0 says go for it..... are you still here?

 

[waitees]

Yep still here, such a good website from honest people !

I have done shops before but set up on my own a year ago and still trying to get my head around the legal stuff.

So am I right saying that the shop install and the results etc can be all put onto a domestic install certificate .

I would go electrical contractor but I just feel at this moment I can't warrant the extra cost for something I am hardly going to use as most of our work is domestic.

 

[waitees]

Sorry that was surposed to say you can not use the domestic install cert for the results

 

[PC Electrics]

As far as certificates go, just buy a standard book of EICs from your local wholesaler.

Or better still, reproduce the standard ones from 7671 using MS Word. looks much more prof if they're nicely printed.

 

[waitees]

Surely you would still need to have someone like niceic to sign it off ?

 

[telectrix]

you can sign commercial off yourself. as said. just buy EICs, eg kewtech from wholesaler .

 

[Dunc]

Surely you would still need to have someone like niceic to sign it off ?

Nope, not at all unless someone is insistent that an NIC Approved Contractor does the job in the first place which isn't uncommon in schools. According to the regs you only have to be 'competent' as everyone else has said. The only thing you may need to check is that you are insured under your Public Liability Insurance to do commercial work.

 

[waitees]

But what I cannot get my head around is that you can sign off commercial with a eic book from any wholesaler but you need to use dis to cert domestic property surely I thought the rules would be the same for both, test, cert and then send off to nic, so all I need is the eic they keep one copy and I keep one and I file it.

 

[PC Electrics]

But what I cannot get my head around is that you can sign off commercial with a eic book from any wholesaler but you need to use dis to cert domestic property surely I thought the rules would be the same for both, test, cert and then send off to nic, so all I need is the eic they keep one copy and I keep one and I file it.

Eerr? not being in the NIC myself, I feel I must ask; isn't one of the requirements of the NIC DI scheme that you must have a copy of Part P and presumably have read and understood it??
Have a look at the scope.

And, do NIC really require you to send all your certs to them?

 

[sjm]

There you go waitees. Use an unregistered EIC (Kewtech, Ethos printed as PC Electrics said) for the shop install and your NIC domestic installer EIC for the flats.
Actually I've just looked at part P and think that as the shop is below the flats then all the work will be notifiable under part P so you should be able to use your NIC domestic installer certs for all the work.

 

[waitees]

I think your might be right there sjm as this has cropped up before, may have wrote that slightly wrong with nic , no pc you don't send the cert off but notify them via the brcs website of the type of work you have carried out