Shop installs - niceic domestic installer

[waitees]

Hello

I have had many different answers from local electricians regarding the domestic installer scheme. I have been registered with niceic for nearly a year and have been recently asked to rewire a shop with the top floor turning into 3 flats up stairs. It is currently 3 phase being changed to single phase with new separate supplies for each flat. My question is I know it will be ok to certificate the flats upstairs but where do I stand in terms of the shop as this technically comes under commercial and I hardly see worth registering as electrical contractor as most of our work is domestic and it costs a lot !

Can you guys point me in the right direction ??

 

[telectrix]

this is just an example of the bullsh1t confusion caused by part pee. for notifiable domestic work, you need scheme membership or pay LABC megabucks. for industrial/commercial , part p does not apply except in the case of mixed commercial/domestic in same building. as you are NIC< then just get on with it. fill out the EIC/S. copy for client, one for yourself. job's a good 'un.

 

[Dunc]

Actually I've just looked at part P and think that as the shop is below the flats then all the work will be notifiable under part P so you should be able to use your NIC domestic installer certs for all the work.

Maybe not, it's only if the flats are being fed from the same supply that the shop is fed from. If there is separate cut outs and meters supplied by the DNO in the flats then the shop work would not require notification to LABC and DIS EICs would not be used on this part of the installation.

 

[PC Electrics]

There you go waitees. Use an unregistered EIC (Kewtech, Ethos printed as PC Electrics said) for the shop install and your NIC domestic installer EIC for the flats.
Actually I've just looked at part P and think that as the shop is below the flats then all the work will be notifiable under part P so you should be able to use your NIC domestic installer certs for all the work.

The criteria for whether this work is notifiable or not, is not the relative position of the shop / flats. It is to do with whether any of the flats share a meter with the shop. The OP states that the flats are all getting new individual supplies, therefore the work in the shop is commercial and not notifiable.
Again, AD-P contains the necessary guidance for working this out.

 

[brucelee]

Hi mate
the shop only falls into part p if they share same supply, meters as above the shop doesnt need notifying unlike the flats

as tel states use standard eic for the shop and domestic eic for the flats

 

[malcolmsanford]

As your NICEIC DI registered use your purple forms for the flats, these are the ones that have reference numbers on for when you notify your work.

Then use the green ones from the NICEIC which are availalbe for anyone to use, but for a NICEIC memeber they are designed for work that is not within your scope ie for a DI, commercial work, these are non referenced forms .

The only thing to look out for is your insurance. Make sure you PL covers you for the commercial work.

 

[IQ Electrical]

Just to sum up, there is no requirement to belong to a trade body to carry out and certificate commercial work, unless the client makes such a requirement (check the specification).

There is no requirement to belong to a trade body to carry out domestic installation work if you are prepared to pay LABC in the notification process.

Neither of the above scenario's alter your certification obligations other than the colours of your certificates.

 

[IQ Electrical]

If you are a domestic installer and carry out the commercial installation within the shop outside the scope of your domestic installer conditions then will the niciec provide insurance backing if you are not an approved contractor.?

Absolutely not.