Should Electric Oven Have Switch? & Question re. Whether Need New Cert.

[Novice12]

Hello,

I have just had a new builder with his own Electrician come in to do the following:
Kitchen:
- Install an electric oven. There was a switch / cable in the kitchen already for it to be connected to done by the previous builder's Electrician.
- Install an electric extractor hood in kitchen.
- Wire up gas hob for its electrical ignition.
Bathroom:
- Install electric shower. There was already an electric cable for the shower left loose in the loft above bathroom and connected to the fuse board at the other end which was done by a previous builder's Electrician.

On inspecting the kitchen I have found that there is one new wall plug socket into which the plug for the ignnition for the gas hob goes and there is 1 new switch which is for the electric extractor hood. I can't locate a switch in the kitchen for the electric oven.

My questions are:
1. Should there be a switch in the kitchen for the electric oven or is it sufficient for this to be switched on or off at the fuse board as it has its own circuit there and if there should be a switch in the kitchen should this be visible/readily accessible because at the moment I can't locate one and I am thinking that maybe if there is one it is hidden somewhere, perhaps behind the oven.

2. What certificate/s if any should the Elecrician have provided for this work as he has added 1 new plug socket and one new switch for the extractor hood and also installed electric shower onto and already installed electric shower cable.

3. Should my builder be holding back the certificate/s untill he has been paid in full?

Thanks,

A

 

[Pete999]

Sounds like your builder is a bit of a Cowboy, don't pay him until you get a EIC and yes your cooker should have an Isolation switch, as a by was the electrician part of a Competent Persons Scheme, NICEIC, ELECSA or one of the miriad of these schemes?

 

[Octopus]

- Install electric shower. There was already an electric cable for the shower left loose in the loft above bathroom and connected to the fuse board at the other end which was done by a previous builder's Electrician.

Are you telling us the whole story here ... just a couple of weeks back you were asking if a door bell circuit could share with a lighting circuit so the "spare" way could be used for the shower......

On the subject of the cooker, its GOOD PRACTICE to have a DP isolator for ALL fixed appliances so when the RCD starts tripping (and yes it will) you can easily isolate all appliances

 

[telectrix]

an isolator for the oven is good practice, but not essential. as said. isolation can be achieved by switching off the breaker. you should have an electrical installation certificate. this could be a minor works id no new circuits have been added. certificate/s should be handed over when or before your final payment is made.

 

[Novice12]

Sounds like your builder is a bit of a Cowboy, don't pay him until you get a EIC and yes your cooker should have an Isolation switch, as a by was the electrician part of a Competent Persons Scheme, NICEIC, ELECSA or one of the miriad of these schemes?

I believe he was part of NICEIC. If that's the case would the EIC be an NICEIC one?

 

[Novice12]

Are you telling us the whole story here ... just a couple of weeks back you were asking if a door bell circuit could share with a lighting circuit so the "spare" way could be used for the shower......

On the subject of the cooker, its GOOD PRACTICE to have a DP isolator for ALL fixed appliances so when the RCD starts tripping (and yes it will) you can easily isolate all appliances

Telling you the full story. Had new builder with new Electrician as stated in my post. You say is good practice to have a DP isolator for all fixed appliaces. What is a DP isolator, is this the switch I can't find for the oven? Also is it just good practice or is it a building regs requirement? Also because the oven is on its own circuit from the fuse board wouldn't this mean the problem of not being able to isolate other appliances when RCD starts tripping not apply in this situation?

 

[Pete999]

Should be

 

[Des 56]

Your on Builder No 2 and he is holding back certification
There are half finished wiring jobs and uncertainty over what needs to be agreed or is compulsory to provide
There are loads with control that obviously have not been agreed between the parties

I think Murdoch has a very good point "Are you telling us the whole story here"

 

[Octopus]

Should be

I think he means it should be in the regs...

 

[Octopus]

Telling you the full story. Had new builder with new Electrician as stated in my post. You say is good practice to have a DP isolator for all fixed appliaces. What is a DP isolator, is this the switch I can't find for the oven? Also is it just good practice or is it a building regs requirement? Also because the oven is on its own circuit from the fuse board wouldn't this mean the problem of not being able to isolate other appliances when RCD starts tripping not apply in this situation?

Telling you the full story. Had new builder with new Electrician as stated in my post. You say is good practice to have a DP isolator for all fixed appliaces. What is a DP isolator, is this the switch I can't find for the oven? Also is it just good practice or is it a building regs requirement? Also because the oven is on its own circuit from the fuse board wouldn't this mean the problem of not being able to isolate other appliances when RCD starts tripping not apply in this situation?

I'm amazed that you managed to kick the first builder/sparky into touch and get new ones so quickly...... if they were any good they wouldn't be available...

 

[Novice12]

an isolator for the oven is good practice, but not essential. as said. isolation can be achieved by switching off the breaker. you should have an electrical installation certificate. this could be a minor works id no new circuits have been added. certificate/s should be handed over when or before your final payment is made.

Thanks,

Would the Electrician need to send a copy of the certificate to his governing body (which I think is NICEIC) so they can send out a Building Regulations Certificate of Compliance (I got one of these after previous electrician installed new fuse board and re-wired house) or is this not necessary for the work he has done as detailed in my original post?

Thanks.

 

[telectrix]

if it's notifiable work, e.g. new circuit/s, then it should be notified to LABC.

 

[Octopus]

The sparky should give you the Electrical Certificates directly ... Part P compliance Certificates come from their scheme.....

These are completely different certificates.

 

[Novice12]

I'm amazed that you managed to kick the first builder/sparky into touch and get new ones so quickly...... if they were any good they wouldn't be available...

First builder and his electrician had finished the work I had asked them to do. We had broken the job into a first stage and finishg stage and so first builder having done the first stage and me not having liked the 4 months it had taken him after he had told me 4 weeks (plus other problems) I didn't ask him back to do the next stage.

 

[Octopus]

So was it the 1st or 2nd spark who told you he couldn't put the door bell on the lighting circuit?

If one spark has first fixed and the second done the 2nd fix - neither can self certify under Part P