Should Electric Oven Have Switch? & Question re. Whether Need New Cert.

[Novice12]

Hello,

I have just had a new builder with his own Electrician come in to do the following:
Kitchen:
- Install an electric oven. There was a switch / cable in the kitchen already for it to be connected to done by the previous builder's Electrician.
- Install an electric extractor hood in kitchen.
- Wire up gas hob for its electrical ignition.
Bathroom:
- Install electric shower. There was already an electric cable for the shower left loose in the loft above bathroom and connected to the fuse board at the other end which was done by a previous builder's Electrician.

On inspecting the kitchen I have found that there is one new wall plug socket into which the plug for the ignnition for the gas hob goes and there is 1 new switch which is for the electric extractor hood. I can't locate a switch in the kitchen for the electric oven.

My questions are:
1. Should there be a switch in the kitchen for the electric oven or is it sufficient for this to be switched on or off at the fuse board as it has its own circuit there and if there should be a switch in the kitchen should this be visible/readily accessible because at the moment I can't locate one and I am thinking that maybe if there is one it is hidden somewhere, perhaps behind the oven.

2. What certificate/s if any should the Elecrician have provided for this work as he has added 1 new plug socket and one new switch for the extractor hood and also installed electric shower onto and already installed electric shower cable.

3. Should my builder be holding back the certificate/s untill he has been paid in full?

Thanks,

A

 

[Novice12]

So was it the 1st or 2nd spark who told you he couldn't put the door bell on the lighting circuit?

If one spark has first fixed and the second done the 2nd fix - neither can self certify under Part P

2nd one.

 

[Novice12]

Your on Builder No 2 and he is holding back certification
There are half finished wiring jobs and uncertainty over what needs to be agreed or is compulsory to provide
There are loads with control that obviously have not been agreed between the parties

I think Murdoch has a very good point "Are you telling us the whole story here"

Yes, telling you the full story. I don't understand why is coming across as that complicated: I had one builder / Electrician in to rewire house which included putting wire for shower in and wire for electric oven with swtich on it but he didn't put in shower itself or oven as this was a 2nd stage job that hadn't asked them to do yet. Didn't use them again due to problems including the 1st builder taking 4 months to complete the other works that he said would take 4 weeks. Got 2nd builder in to do 2nd stage which included fitting bathroom suite including electric shower and fitting kitchen including wirining in oven, gas hob's ignition and extractor hood. Now I can't find switch for oven and wonder if should be one by law and not got any certificates yet from 2nd builder who is saying will give them to me once paid in full.

 

[Novice12]

if it's notifiable work, e.g. new circuit/s, then it should be notified to LABC.

So is the work I have outlined notifiable (adding 1 new plug socket for gas hob's ignition, adding 1 new switch for kitchen extractor hood and fitting a shower to an already existing cable), I don't believe any new circuits put onto the fuse board to do any of this work?

 

[Toneyz]

I believe he was part of NICEIC. If that's the case would the EIC be an NICEIC one?

not always just because they are a part of one of the NICEIC screams you do not need to use there certificates (but they like you to) along as it is based upon BS7671 now this may have gone to the builder as they are employing the services of the electrician. The Building compliance certificate (part P certificate as people call it) should be sent to the dwelling.

 

[Novice12]

The sparky should give you the Electrical Certificates directly ... Part P compliance Certificates come from their scheme.....

These are completely different certificates.

So I can understand the certificates I should get:

From the original re-wire work I got directly from the 1st builder/Electrician a Domestic Electrical Installation Certificate on NICEIC headed paper and then later I got a certificate from NICEIC which says "Building Regulation Certificate of Compliance" and refers to regulations 4 & 7 of The Building Regulations 2010 for England and Wales.

Is the first certificate an example of the Electrical Certificates you say the Electrician should give me directly and the second a Part P compliance Certificate that you say should come from their scheme?

 

[Taylortwocities]

So I can understand the certificates I should get:

From the original re-wire work I got directly from the 1st builder/Electrician a Domestic Electrical Installation Certificate on NICEIC headed paper and then later I got a certificate from NICEIC which says "Building Regulation Certificate of Compliance" and refers to regulations 4 & 7 of The Building Regulations 2010 for England and Wales.

Is the first certificate an example of the Electrical Certificates you say the Electrician should give me directly and the second a Part P compliance Certificate that you say should come from their scheme?

Exactly

 

[Toneyz]

I have read this post not one if I am correct have you just asked the builder/electrician where the switch is ?.

 

[Phil Thompson]

Yes, have you asked about the switch? Was it there before the kitchen went in? Could it be behind one of the units?
As in positioned in the wrong place in 1st fix?

 

[Novice12]

I have read this post not one if I am correct have you just asked the builder/electrician where the switch is ?.

Not yet, I wanted to know if there should be one before I do this so I know how to respond if he says there isn't one.

 

[Novice12]

Yes, have you asked about the switch? Was it there before the kitchen went in? Could it be behind one of the units?
As in positioned in the wrong place in 1st fix?

There was a switch there before the kitchen went in, lying on the floor approximately where oven to go and attached to calbe that ran to fuse board. I haven't asked builder yet as wanted to know if there should be one and if it should be accessible before I ask so I know how to respond if he tells me isn't one or if is one but is hidden behind oven or something.

 

[buzzlightyear]

was their a contract from the first say builder .in writing and second in writing .
and signed ?
the second builder does not have to hand over the test cert till payment is made
how ever he can reg the job within the 30days of completing the said works

 

[Taylortwocities]

In the schedule of works, what reference is there to the existing (or a new) cooker switch?

Note per the above. There is no wiring regulation that says you must have an isolating switch for a cooker, etc.

 

[Novice12]

was their a contract from the first say builder .in writing and second in writing .
and signed ?
the second builder does not have to hand over the test cert till payment is made
how ever he can reg the job within the 30days of completing the said works

Surely handing over certificates that are part of showing the job has been done is part of completing the works and so I shoudln't pay full amount as not completed? How else can I guarantee if there are any problems with the certificates such as not having been filled out properly (I had this issue with last builder) can I be sure they will rectify the problem?

 

[Midwest]

Whilst compliance with BS7671, by isolating the electric oven by turning off the CU main switch may be achieved, that's not particular useful in the middle of the night.

Most electrical installations I've seen and done myself, choose to comply with the regs, for isolation, switching, mechanical maintenance, etc etc, by installing a local isolator. Manufacturers instructions should also be taken into account, and normally say something like;

The cooker must be supplied via a suitable double pole isolating switch, having a contact separation of at least 3mm in all poles placed in a readily accessible position adjacent to the cooker.

 

[Midwest]

Certificates are part of the installation, and should be given to the person ordering the work, regardless of payment.

However, next time you have your car serviced & MOT'd, see how you get on with walking off with the service document and paying the workshop 3 weeks later. Don't think they'd give your keys back, until you hand over the dosh