shower fitted by friend

[Baker1988]

hi all just a quick question my girlfriend dad has just had a shower fitted cos his old one has broke (just a like for like)it was just a friend of his who did it for him dont think he is a spark just had some experiance i have checked it at the request of my girlfriend as she does not trust her dads friend it all seems fine there is not test sheets with it so i did a few tests zs and ir and all seems fine the only problem i have got is that the board has no rcd it is a old board but not really old it has mcbs and even a few rcbos buti told him he should really have a rcd on the shower circuit but i would probily be easier to get a rcbo for the circuit but he does not want to shell out the £27 for it so my girlfriend said she will buy it if i think it needs it just so he is safe so what do you all think does it need one i think it does but thought i would ask you lot first

 

[Guest55]

Edit: biff beat me to it!

why not use the omnipotent powers of admin to slip your post in before mine ,thus taking all the glory ;-)

 

[ayjay]

buy him one for christmas

 

[Swicade]

The girlfriend is paying for the bits which will improve the safety of the circuit in question....only expense to you is time to do the job which will likely be a freebie BUT take into account how grateful your girlfriend will be (nudge, nudge, wink, wink, say no more) i'd suggest stop thinking/talking about it and just slip it in (the rcd protection that is.....)

 

[GLENNSPARK]

hi all just a quick question my girlfriend dad has just had a shower fitted cos his old one has broke (just a like for like)it was just a friend of his who did it for him dont think he is a spark just had some experiance i have checked it at the request of my girlfriend as she does not trust her dads friend it all seems fine there is not test sheets with it so i did a few tests zs and ir and all seems fine the only problem i have got is that the board has no rcd it is a old board but not really old it has mcbs and even a few rcbos buti told him he should really have a rcd on the shower circuit but i would probily be easier to get a rcbo for the circuit but he does not want to shell out the £27 for it so my girlfriend said she will buy it if i think it needs it just so he is safe so what do you all think does it need one i think it does but thought i would ask you lot first

whats the age of the board got to do with the compliance of the circuit?...lol..
jesus wept...lol...

 

[Paul.M]

A few things to say about this one.

Was it a requirement for rcd protection at the time of the original install?

RCBO's are single or double pole, depends on which one you buy.

If you did a like for like socket face change on a 1970's install and the Ze, Zs was ok, would you demand that circuit to be on a rcd? Whats the difference for a shower??? (apart from its a shower and is now deemed dangerous and we would all like to see it on a rcd/rcbo)

Manufacturers instructions supersede the 7671 as said before, what do the instructions say?

 

[Paul.M]

Taken from the ESC FAQ page.....

"Q2.10If I replace an existing electric shower, do I now have to provide RCD protection for it?

No, unless RCD protection is required by the manufacturer’s installation instructions, or a new circuit is required (to provide for increased load, for example).
Regulation number(s)

• 134.1.1
• 510.3"

I'd still fit an RCBO (double pole) or a stand alone rcd, we all would.

 

[SPARTYKUS]

My moneys in the instructions for the replacement shower insisting an RCD is fitted.


Therefore.....even though its a replacement, an RCD is now required. Because thats what it says in the book of the one you are fitting!

I'd take swicades tack. Sort it out yourself & reap the (eh hem) reward.

As mentioned will be a pig to get the 10mm in the Rcbo reliably, always is a game.

Took two hours doing an isolator (ceiling) once. Fitted like a glove and was a work of art (was a good paying job!). Better than ramming it up desperately screwing it all together, only to hear the sickening crunch & crack of a shattering patress.....arrrggghh

 

[GLENNSPARK]

RCBO would be fine, however, fitting a pair of 10mm TE tails into the top of it might be a challenge.

depends what board it is dunnit....
electrium..yes
BG..no

 

[richy3333]

^^^ Somebody watched Star Wars yesterday afternoon

Never had a problem on a Hager RCBO either

 

[SPARTYKUS]

^^^ Somebody watched Star Wars yesterday afternoon

Never had a problem on a Hager RCBO either

Han Solo, or reality? A fat bald bloke with red eyes?

Chose correctly

 

[GLENNSPARK]

how long do you give it then before someone turns up with the `jabba` avatar?..

 

[Deleted member 26818]

A couple of points.
When replacing items of equipment, it does not have to be on a like for like basis for it not to be notifiable.
As such you can replace an 8.5kW shower with a 10.5kW shower as long as the wiring is appropriately sized for the load.
You can also replace CPDs higher or lower rated, or even of a differnt type without notification.
It's when the wiring is altered that it becomes notifiable.