Shower for hairdressers

[soulman]

Hi, i have been asked to install an electric shower into a hairdressers for washing hair over a basin. When i enquired with Elecsa how far sockets have to be from the shower, they told me the 3m rule still applies? Is this correct, i feel this is totally a different situation to a room containing a bath or a shower & where would i take the 3m from. Any advice or idea's. I have thought about a partition.

 

[Octopus]

Hum, there are no zones associated with basins, but "flexible" showers heads do make you think.

How close is the nearest socket?

 

[soulman]

Around 1 metre around a small corner.

 

[Octopus]

Around 1 metre around a small corner.

Would the client tolerate some form of "screen"


To me this is a question of judgement and a clear discussion with the client..... The regs sometimes begger belief!

 

[soulman]

Thanks Murdoch, i suggested a partition or screen the client wasn't impressed. I was there to do the work, it just occurred to me that with this being a shower does the 3m rule still apply. That when i telephoned the tech helpline. I thought the 3m rule applies because someone could use a hairdryer in the bath etc;

 

[Octopus]

Thanks Murdoch, i suggested a partition or screen the client wasn't impressed. I was there to do the work, it just occurred to me that with this being a shower does the 3m rule still apply. That when i telephoned the tech helpline. I thought the 3m rule applies because someone could use a hairdryer in the bath etc;

Hum, since the NICEIC merged with Elecsa, I would venture to suggest that the quality of the guidance from help line has dimished somewhat. De-skilling springs to mind.

As I said I would discuss and agree with the client and make sure that the "comments" section of the EIC is bullet proof with facts regarding customer accepting deviation from regs.

 

[telectrix]

agree with murdoch. it's not strictly a shower as such, as no naked wet bodies standing under it ( unless it's a pervy salon).

 

[Octopus]

Just one question - are the sockets RCD protected?

 

[telectrix]

and the shower?

 

[GMES]

And the Hairdresser

 

[soulman]

Sockets are not rcd protected. Shower will be. The irony of it all, is i have seen electric shower right next to socket in hairdressers & barbers loads of times. I think the way forward is a screen or partition. I was never comfortable with this job in the first instance as i know them. I have already got the customer to sign an agreement that the domestic shower has no guarantee as it is not commercial & was installing in 10mm for over heating of the cable. (8.5kw)
Cheers

 

[telectrix]

1omm my arse. unless it's buried in insulation 6mm is more than adequate for 8.5kW.

 

[Octopus]

Sockets are not rcd protected. Shower will be. The irony of it all, is i have seen electric shower right next to socket in hairdressers & barbers loads of times. I think the way forward is a screen or partition. I was never comfortable with this job in the first instance as i know them. I have already got the customer to sign an agreement that the domestic shower has no guarantee as it is not commercial & was installing in 10mm for over heating of the cable. (8.5kw)
Cheers

I'd be recommending that this should be done in terms of staff and customer safety!

 

[telectrix]

as above. deffo fit RCD protection to the sockets.

 

[soulman]

If the partition was installed, then i would only recommend the sockets are RCD protected. If no partition then they will have to be.

Cheers for advice appreciated.