shower to notify or not

[mrmatt]

A friend of a friend split up with her partner and he took the shower with him when he moved out leaving wires hanging out the wall. The local council were called and the circuit was disconnected from the consumer unit as a safety precaution. A plumber has put in a new shower and she has asked me to connect it back up at both ends and test.

Providing the calculations work out ok she wants to use the cable alreadt there as she dont really want the floors up. is this a notifiable job or would you class it as a like for like?

 

[gpz900jim]

if the shower has been taken away, how do you know its a like for like?

 

[cagedanimal2010]

if the shower has been taken away, how do you know its a like for like?

really???

 

[mrmatt]

Thanks for the feedback so far guys, it still seems theres a lot of confusion out there. Ill be issuing a MWC and am going to notify just to cover my back.

 

[SirKit Breaker]

I have 2 opinions on this. If you are Part P registered then notify it. If you are not then reconnect the shower at both ends, assuming you are a qualified Electrician with the knowledge and test equipment to test and certify it then do it, issue a MWC, and state on it that it is a direct replacement for a failed unit. If you have to install a RCD because it doesn't have one then you are altering the circuit and means of protection, so it will need notifying whatever. I can't see you having a problem not notifying a like for like replacement if you back it up with the relevant BS certification.

Cheers.........Howard

 

[john25]

The rules that I know from being upto date with the regs is that you can replace a like for like in a Special location and NOT have to notify LABC. But as you don't know what the previous Shower rating was as long as the new shower doesn't require an upgrade of the protective device then all you are Basically doing is an Alteration of that circuit ( feel free to Correct me if im wrong by the way).

And to one of the above posters who said that all work should be notifiable *You can't actually be serious Electricians are getting ripped off left right and center as it is Making Sparkies notify every single bit of domestic work is only going to benefit NIC/ELECSA/Napit fat cats

a qualified competent Electrician should not have to *Notify* his/her own work Thats why we go to College and do Apprenticeships so we learn how to Install and repair and choose the Right equipment for each job in a safe and competent manner.

 

[SirKit Breaker]

a qualified competent Electrician should not have to *Notify* his/her own work Thats why we go to College and do Apprenticeships so we learn how to Install and repair and choose the Right equipment for each job in a safe and competent manner.[/QUOTE]

Well said John, and your opinion is shared with thousands of other Sparkies throughout the land. if only the nuggets who make the rules would listen.

Cheers.........Howard

 

[solo2771]

The rules that I know from being upto date with the regs is that you can replace a like for like in a Special location and NOT have to notify LABC. But as you don't know what the previous Shower rating was as long as the new shower doesn't require an upgrade of the protective device then all you are Basically doing is an Alteration of that circuit ( feel free to Correct me if im wrong by the way).

And to one of the above posters who said that all work should be notifiable *You can't actually be serious Electricians are getting ripped off left right and center as it is Making Sparkies notify every single bit of domestic work is only going to benefit NIC/ELECSA/Napit fat cats

a qualified competent Electrician should not have to *Notify* his/her own work Thats why we go to College and do Apprenticeships so we learn how to Install and repair and choose the Right equipment for each job in a safe and competent manner.

I totally agree BUT there are many unqualified cowboys out there who wouldn't even know what the big red book was, I think to most people electrics can look much less complicated than they are. Connecting a gas boiler to the gas looks easy but I wouldn't do it but my dad did 20 years ago with no qualification to do it, he also did some very dodgy wiring that thank god I sorted out a couple of years ago like a radial 120M extention to his garage to supply his power tools welders ect and lighting wired in 2.5 on 32amp . but anyway hope this makes sence lol
Paul

 

[solo2771]

a qualified competent Electrician should not have to *Notify* his/her own work Thats why we go to College and do Apprenticeships so we learn how to Install and repair and choose the Right equipment for each job in a safe and competent manner.

Well said John, and your opinion is shared with thousands of other Sparkies throughout the land. if only the nuggets who make the rules would listen.

Cheers.........Howard[/QUOTE]

SORRY QUOTED WRONG THREAD
I totally agree BUT there are many unqualified cowboys out there who wouldn't even know what the big red book was, I think to most people electrics can look much less complicated than they are. Connecting a gas boiler to the gas looks easy but I wouldn't do it but my dad did 20 years ago with no qualification to do it, he also did some very dodgy wiring that thank god I sorted out a couple of years ago like a radial 120M extention to his garage to supply his power tools welders ect and lighting wired in 2.5 on 32amp . but anyway hope this makes sence lol
Paul

 

[tonys]

a qualified competent Electrician should not have to *Notify* his/her own work Thats why we go to College and do Apprenticeships so we learn how to Install and repair and choose the Right equipment for each job in a safe and competent manner.

That's why building control rarely take court action, because if someone wins and sets a precedent it will blow an hole in revenue for the scheme FREELOADERS.

 

[nickblake]

a qualified competent Electrician should not have to *Notify* his/her own work Thats why we go to College and do Apprenticeships so we learn how to Install and repair and choose the Right equipment for each job in a safe and competent manner.

Well said John, and your opinion is shared with thousands of other Sparkies throughout the land. if only the nuggets who make the rules would listen.

Cheers.........Howard[/QUOTE]


Yep i agree to howard ,but when you see diy store selling every thing from fuses to CDU's every ones going to have a go all how often do we see it on site and on here too ,in principle Part P was a good idea but , if you are qualified and inspected as we are then why notify it just costs the country yet more mone for what ,in my eye the regs should become statutory and you should not be able to work on electricity no matter how bigger job unless your regestered as you do with gas ,at the end of the day how many people are killed and how many houses are burn down with house fire caused by electrical faults ,gas you can smell , electricity you cant or even see it unless its a lamp

 

[jase]

http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/uploads/br/BR_PDF_ADP_2006.pdf

page 9 point m

 

[LukeD]

took thew shower !!!!!!!! Honestly, some people are born idiots !

 

[ricardo123]

This is classed as a distressed change, it is neither non-notifiable nor do you need to issue a minor works certificate. However, I would take some readings such as the Zs from the shower, write some details on a copy of a MWS and keep it for your own records. A minor works is only if you are modifying the circuit, i.e you do not have to issue one if you are replacing a broken socket, a broken light fitting, a damaged shower, etc.

There are some other points to note though, obviously you must make sure that the existing cable is sufficient to power the shower, if you have to replace the cable and thus modify the circuit then you will have to both notify and issue a MWS certificate and make sure the circuit complies with the 17th edition.

For further info see bottom of page 8 Approved Document Part P.