Signed certs that are filled in badly

[cprfenom]

Morning.

A few points really and it's more due to a lack of understanding on what NICEIC will look for.

They are as followed

How critically will the inspector look at schedule of items inspected and tested?

Ie - Ze is N/V on test sheet, but ticked on schedule as tested.

If I have signed cert would it be ill advised to change the digital cert to change the tick and insert the corrected sheet?

Basically I am not sure if record information that is wrong even if the final readings are complient will be flagged.

 

[Pete999]

Not having had much dealings withe any of the schemes, other than talking to a mate of mine who was a NICEIC QS.
The inspector should be looking a certificates with a view to ensuring the testing has been done correctly, and the certificates are filled out to reflect the test results.

 

[Octopus]

Op what vet is it?

Not recording the Ze does sound odd.

That said I'm in a house with a new CU, the Zs for the upstairs lighting is a fib, as the cpc isn't continuous from the board.

Next example is an EICR where the readings on the cert are way different to the ones I checked

Not good

 

[Pete999]

Op what vet is it?

Not recording the Ze does sound odd.

That said I'm in a house with a new CU, the Zs for the upstairs lighting is a fib, as the cpc isn't continuous from the board.

Next example is an EICR where the readings on the cert are way different to the ones I checked

Not good

I agree Mate, not good at all, probably get some earache, but do you think, like I do that the blame for Shoddy EICRs etc, lies with poorly trained electricians, or cheap and cheerful testing just to get the customer to stump up his cash, who will be blissfully unaware that the cert he has been given is only good for hanging on a nail in the outside Lav.

 

[Octopus]

It's the EIC with the completely ficticious Zs that annoyed me.

I did an estimate after looking at said EIC and I didn't factor in 3 hours investigating the lack of earth on the lighting circuit.

Edit. I'm tempted to send the cert to Napit and highlight the issue ...

 

[cprfenom]

Morning.

These are often commercial jobs, so I understand why the Ze could be a limitation. However the schedule of tests show it as tested (a tick)

These certs were signed before I was taken on, but you could argue that a badly filled cert signed isn't complient. I don't want to alter and counter sign if this will cause more trouble, but equally if not correcting them is worse then I want to know I wont get stung.

 

[cprfenom]

Edited to remove peoples mobiles :S

 

[Ian1981]

Nominal voltage to earth 415 v ,doubtful I would bet.
Plus it's 400 v nowadays isn't it, or that's what we write in.

 

[cprfenom]

Nominal voltage to earth 415 v ,doubtful I would bet.
Plus it's 400 v nowadays isn't it, or that's what we write in.

What about the 3 phase 3 wire? Or the no Ze, but the have confirmed the continuity of the main earthing and protective bonding conductor.

They have listed the supply characteristics but on the tick list it's N/V

 

[Ian1981]

3 phase 3 wire is still 230 v phase to earth, or do you mean it should be 3 phase 4 wire?

Yeah it's badly filled in.

 

[buzzlightyear]

if I was you I would start from scratch with those test certs because you have not put in your ZE. KA test in. and the list goes on . like said IAN 1981 GALLEGER mad for it . badly filled in .

 

[cprfenom]

I have certs going back 18 months because the old PDH and QS put the NIC off 3 times. They both left and I am now trying to put things right.

I can't believe more than 1 person put their signature against this.

 

[Andy78]

It's the EIC with the completely ficticious Zs that annoyed me.

I did an estimate after looking at said EIC and I didn't factor in 3 hours investigating the lack of earth on the lighting circuit.

Edit. I'm tempted to send the cert to Napit and highlight the issue ...

That's nowt. I had a cert once that had RCD trip times on it for the kitchen alterations. Existing Bs3036 board in place with no RCD in the entire house.
How they thought that wouldn't get noticed .......... ?

 

[Richard Burns]

Badly filled out certificates are very common unfortunately.
In your case I would say that you are not responsible for work done before you were appointed, however if the NICEIC are assessing a period which pre dates you then they could be unhappy, however their approval is for the future and so long as what you are doing is correct then they should be able to permit continuation.
Modification of finalised paperwork is not a good idea, reissuing the paperwork with the correct results and recording this action would be a better way of proceeding as this maintains a paperwork trail which would normally be needed for quality assurance (ha, ha!)

I have just done an EICR where there was previous paperwork, which is not common, and I found that my test results matched the previous values; this has never happened to me before and I am quite surprised to find an accurate previous assessment. It makes the job a lot easier if things are correct as Murdoch
has pointed out in reverse.

 

[ferg]

I noticed a mistake on one of my certs just in time.

I had used autofill and for some reason had a 6mm T&E protected by a 100A bs88 type II. Idiot...

I had to drive back home and do it again as the DNO were connecting to it in the morning.