Signed certs that are filled in badly

[Risteard]

That's nowt. I had a cert once that had RCD trip times on it for the kitchen alterations. Existing Bs3036 board in place with no RCD in the entire house.
How they thought that wouldn't get noticed .......... ?

Was there an SRCD or RCD FCU?

 

[Andy78]

Was there an SRCD or RCD FCU?

No. Complete fabrication. The schedule described a dual RCD CU complete with tripping times. The invoice detailed a CU swap.

 

[Risteard]

No. Complete fabrication. The schedule described a dual RCD CU complete with tripping times. The invoice detailed a CU swap.

LOL. Fair enough. Probably a default schedule of test results pasted into the job!

 

[Andy78]

LOL. Fair enough. Probably a default schedule of test results pasted into the job!

I don't know why it happened to be honest. I let the contractor explain that bit to B&Q homefit management and the NICEIC.

 

[Toneyz]

I had a cert placed in front of me as Q.S. I could see it was completed by my old boss but a flat with four rooms on circuit cable 1.0/1.0 T + E R1 + R2 =0.01 ohms total B.S.

 

[cprfenom]

My first stint as a QS and given that most of the certificates are dual signature its depressing. One month till the assessment and I am bricking it! How can I have any faith of duplicating any readings or that the information is even anywhere near correct!!

 

[Toneyz]

Why did the previous PDH and QS both leave ?. Maybe time out with who ever is doing the testing. Does someone else complete the certs from written down info who is not a competent electrician? .My advice from being both is not to even try to pull the wool over their eyes be open and honest there is not a lot you can be responsible for prior to your appointment but you can demonstrate you have a understanding what has happened in the past and how you are moving forward.

 

[marc8]

Not Verified NV, you would need to have all these listed in limitations & the reasons why the limitations are in place. gas bonding surely you would be able to see it if not at least X & put in notes location unknown believe not bonded & put X down!
most people can find something wrong on a test cert & the inspector will usually use a judgement call on what is wrong with the cert & how much & depending on if they think you have just misunderstood the question being asked or generally don't know will come down to the responses from questions they will ask you.
another thing will be if you are QS & are signing off work on behalf of others working for the company or if you are filling your certificates yourself & just you as QS.

 

[cprfenom]

They left in a cloud of anger between the principal project manager and the PDH. In fairness I am getting the feeling that the PDH likes to move a lot! When he drew up budgets for jobs he would go off spec and miss a lot off.
I'm just miffed as before I took the job I talked to the staff and the vibe was that the PDH was a perfectionist.

I have told the principle project manager that I will not fudge any reports even in regards to the schedules and that we will put a new procedure in place to ensure that myself and the PDH do due diligence on the certs as we cant always get it spot on first time.

 

[cprfenom]

Not Verified NV, you would need to have all these listed in limitations & the reasons why the limitations are in place. gas bonding surely you would be able to see it if not at least X & put in notes location unknown believe not bonded & put X down!
most people can find something wrong on a test cert & the inspector will usually use a judgement call on what is wrong with the cert & how much & depending on if they think you have just misunderstood the question being asked or generally don't know will come down to the responses from questions they will ask you.
another thing will be if you are QS & are signing off work on behalf of others working for the company or if you are filling your certificates yourself & just you as QS.

At this moment the plan is that I am not filling in any certificates. Its the plan to have 2 dedicated testers and I will ensure during the project that I am happy with standards and ensure that the works done conform. I will also have to ensure that the site testing is transferred to our electrical test sheets, rectify any issues and ask the PDH to sign.

An example of this is type C breakers with higher than permitted Zs. Ask to confirm if they are calculated readings and then look at changing to Type B or alter the circuit to ensure that the readings comply.

 

[marc8]

if these certificates are before your time as the QS then it will be company problem & may well involve visits to the sites to undertake more in depth testing with the inspector to gain a knowledge of the site & to ensure safety.
what most will look at is the consistency of the new test certs from the time you have taken over as the QS & what if any changes to the test certs from that period but may still insist on visits for the previous works.

 

[marc8]

At this moment the plan is that I am not filling in any certificates. Its the plan to have 2 dedicated testers and I will ensure during the project that I am happy with standards and ensure that the works done conform. I will also have to ensure that the site testing is transferred to our electrical test sheets, rectify any issues and ask the PDH to sign.

An example of this is type C breakers with higher than permitted Zs. Ask to confirm if they are calculated readings and then look at changing to Type B or alter the circuit to ensure that the readings comply.[/QUOTe

who is the QS for the firm ?
it will rest with them to make sure the test cert is correct, high ZS values can be used on tests certificates but again must give calculations & reasons attached or on the certificate, example lighting designer might for example change a value of acceptable ZS value in design & this would need to be recorded for the works & on the test sheet, the then changed ZS value & design would be down to the designer of the circuit.

 

[cprfenom]

if these certificates are before your time as the QS then it will be company problem & may well involve visits to the sites to undertake more in depth testing with the inspector to gain a knowledge of the site & to ensure safety.
what most will look at is the consistency of the new test certs from the time you have taken over as the QS & what if any changes to the test certs from that period but may still insist on visits for the previous works.

Most of these sites are for the likes Hospitals and access may not be possible?

 

[marc8]

Most of these sites are for the likes Hospitals and access may not be possible?

you would probably need that in writing on headed paper from the hospital concerned & if you mentioned you might need to have your work looked at by a governing body that would be normally acceptable & in worst case scenario you might not just have your inspector with you that day you might have a person in charges of works at the hospital to show also.
finished some works for part of NHS last year & had an audit just before when we were installing containment inspector had a look at the first fix & even mentioned having another look when we finished the project, the trust seemed very happy with that.

 

[marc8]

just looking at the certificate what was the work for ?