• Please use style selector to select BLUE AND WHITE. If you are not already on it. This notice will go once you're on the correct style.

Sisters rented uni accomodation.....

K

keith915

Just visiting the little sister. Noticed a 'UK Gas Safety Certificate' wedged behind the programmer. Had a look and looks like it was tested back in november. In the 'defects found/comments' box he's put "no earth bonding to gas meter". Went to check and you guesses it, still no main bonding in place.

Anyway I'm not happy and will be having it out with the letting agents in the morning. My question is, should the plumber have passed the gas installation without the 10mm bond in the place?! I thought under their regulations they also had an obligation to bond the incomer (albeit before it comes into the property... the source of many past arguments!).
 
Difficult issue. It is out of remit for a gas safe engineer to attempt to fit a bonding connection, as he is (usually) not also an electrician.

There is NO LAW at all which enforces a PIR on change of tenancy - that's simply good practice, and a recommendation but not law.

IMO - should the Gas Safe guy find there is no bonding to the incoming gas, or on the boiler (most of which are connected either via a three pin plug top or into a wiring centre via a spur or 20A DP switch will have an earth reference.

Certainly, the fault will lie with the landlord, who should be aware of the importance of such a connection, and should see to it with haste. As to why it was not reported on the EIC - or PIR when he bought the property?? There is an argument there.

That argument is that it is UNLIKELY that the landlord has taken ALL REASONABLE STEPS to ensure the safety of his tenants whilst in his property. In order to establish he has done so, he would be required to produce at least one of either EIC, or a PIR less than five years old. Arguably, he needs also to satisfy himself at the outset of each tenancy agreement that he has, similarly, taken all REASONABLE steps to ensure tenant safety. It would seem that at some level he has NOT, and therefore, would probably be liable if his tenant was electrocuted as a result of touching an energised gas pipe.

Alternatively, he would have to prove that he DID have an electrician attend, who had confirmed the installation safe - most usually by means of a PIR. If he has a PIR and the missing bonding is not noted on there, then the electrician can be considered liable for either not doing his job properly, or for failing to identify and notify the landlord of a potentially dangerous installation.

If the PIR has been done, and also DOES note the missing bonding, the onus once again falls on the landlord, but ALL OF THIS only applies if something actually happens which puts tenant safety at risk. That, IMO is where the whole thing falls down.

I've said before that issue of a liability insurance cert should depend upon issue of a correctly completed Gas Safety, Electrical Safety and Water safety report. I still see no reason why that cannot be the case. Change of tenancy should result in minor inspection reports, which carry out and report visual, and essential functional changes, with a full report being compiled annually, for issue of the insurance cert.

We are, sadly, a long way from that.
 
A lot of occupants will try their hand at doing diy electrical works without having a clue what they are playing about with, they vandalise properties, and a lot of landlords will do it themselves as well and make a right mess of it.......I have seen a house with the carpets lifted just after it was bought, apparently it used to be a council house(bought and sold a few times after the first person had it off the council) and had supposedly been last rewired in the mid 1990s before the first owners dad bought it for them from the council....there were twin and earth through the whole property that were in channels in the floor covered only by carpet or Linolium, somebody had used a Router and a chisel by the looks of it, carved out channels into the chip board flooring and shoved it in, taking it up behind the skirting and into sockets, and using floor to ceiling plastic adhesive mini trunking for the lights and light switches where it was poked into the loft and run along to round fast fix plastic boxes holding up the light pendants.....
 

OFFICIAL SPONSORS

Electrical Goods - Electrical Tools - Brand Names Electrician Courses Green Electrical Goods PCB Way Electrical Goods - Electrical Tools - Brand Names Pushfit Wire Connectors Electric Underfloor Heating Electrician Courses
These Official Forum Sponsors May Provide Discounts to Regular Forum Members - If you would like to sponsor us then CLICK HERE and post a thread with who you are, and we'll send you some stats etc
Back
Top