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[Gary Gemmell]

Have you started a new thread on the main forum? You’ll get a wide range of answers.

Ask away, this is my thread so I don’t mind it going sideways.
Add a few photos of your metering set up will help.

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Got a Scottish Power Comfortplus setup white meter.
You know the deal Horstmann Series K Telemeter doing the storage heaters at night.
Hot water and ring mains on the Rate 1 and 2 Day Night
Locked into Scottish Power of couirse due to the tariff and meter!

So checked out the current pricing and we are paying more for white meter control rate than the night rate so decided its time for an E7

I believe that will release me from Scottish Powers hold and I can then switch to Bulb or the Co-Op who have cheaper tariffs

Due to the crazy problems I have had with SP - Wait for it...
The telemeter failed and although leccie was still getting through the digital display did not advance and wait for it....It took Scottish Power 4+ years to replace the meter and in that time i reckon i had about £10,000+ of free leccie

The meter failed again a few weeks ago after less than 2 years and wait for it....Scottish power had no replacement meters so they had to stick in some older meters but 3 of them instead of the one Horstmann Series K Telemeter

The upshot is i want rid of SP and this is the only way.

The problem is I have heard that some E7 meters can be installed but will not have the White meter storage heaters setup for a control clock as this is what will be required if it is to be timed for night heating. Not that I am bothered as i do it all manually anyway but have heard some horror stories so my question is:-

Are there different type of E7 meters with extra connections for the white meter heaters as well as the boiler hot water and of course ring main?

I need to know as the guys are coming to rip out the pony and trap they stuck in a few weeks ago and i want to be clued up before they arrive - always be prepared is my motto!

Thankfully Scottish Power are doing it for nothing becasue they l;eft us without leccie for 7 days until they got theior act together and arranged the replacement for the Horstmann - we are on the Special Needs Priority list as well and 7 days without leccie - for real!!!

 

[littlespark]

Yes, I know SP have there own version of “off peak” and can have 3 tariff times per day.
I believe regular off peak for storage heaters... a cheap 24 hour supply for panel heaters and another for immersion.
By changing supplier, you may lose the panel heater cheaper rate, although saving on your non heating power.

You need to speak to the suppliers and see what they suggest, but a straight swap won’t be possible. They may suggest what can be done to your distribution boards to reconfigure them to suit their tariffs

 

[Gary Gemmell]

Yes, I know SP have there own version of “off peak” and can have 3 tariff times per day.
I believe regular off peak for storage heaters... a cheap 24 hour supply for panel heaters and another for immersion.
By changing supplier, you may lose the panel heater cheaper rate, although saving on your non heating power.

You need to speak to the suppliers and see what they suggest, but a straight swap won’t be possible. They may suggest what can be done to your distribution boards to reconfigure them to suit their tariffs

The panel heater (CONTROL RATE) is more expensive than the night rate!

Day	0.22059
Night	0.11392
Control	0.14341
Standing Charge	0.26800

The way i understand it is the e7 everything will be on day rate - immersion, ring main, storage heaters and then when 11:30pm comes everything just switches to the night rate unless i am mistaken - the only thing that needs added is a timer to make sure the storage heaters only are on during the night?


The problem as afsar as i have ascertained is that the output to the storage heaters will need wired into an e7 meter with 2 stage outputs and some only have one so might have to be jerry rigged with some sort of electrical splitter block to fit it all into the one output on the e7?

Have i got this wrong?

The leccie who came out says that once i get an e7 i can transfer to bulb easily so did the helpdesk guy from Scottish Power - the junior sparkie was with another guy who was a 40 year veteran supervisor as he was doing some sort of checking the sparkies work as he was a newb and he said the same thing just get a non Horstmann and all will be well!
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Have you started a new thread on the main forum? You’ll get a wide range of answers.

Ask away, this is my thread so I don’t mind it going sideways.
Add a few photos of your metering set up will help.

PS. I would rather just talk to you i dont want to get trolled or the usual one upmanship crap
I help you you help me thats the way it should be!

Fair exchange of talents - you are the expert spark i am the IT and electronics guy!

 

[littlespark]

You're making me blush now.

The Hortsmann Quartz if I recall simply has a supply and a load cable. Basically a replacement for a double pole switch. Although i think some are wired for 2 immersion heaters? The off peak one and the boost. Having 2 supplies and 2 loads (the off peak heater is situated near the bottom of the cylinder and is on all night with cheap tariff, the boost is in the cylinder higher up and only heats the top half of the water)

Because the full 3kW load of the immersion is passing through this controller, they do suffer from premature failure, but are fairly cheap and easy to still source.

Generically, we would use Henley blocks to split a main supply cable to feed 2 distribution boards. (other brands are available)
Do you have an isolator fitted between the meters and the dis boards? If an electrician has to change a board, were not allowed to pull the main fuse. (search the forum for seal fairies)

You mention a ring circuit? Is this how the panel heaters are wired? Normally its a radial... one circuit breaker for each heater, same as storage heaters.

If you've got funds available, the new generation of electric heaters such as Rointe, or Haverland are something to think about. Supposedly much more efficient than older heaters to the point that off peak supplies are not needed. Only one tariff, as they are reputedly cheap to run.

Not that ive installed many, but there are electric boilers that heat a wet radiator system, like a gas boiler, and air source or ground source heating. (not fitted any of them yet)

Personally, I find that anyone that changes their electricity supplier because of being promised a cheaper rate, quickly realises that they are no better off financially. So do your homework before leaving SP