This is the first time I have posted on this forum. I read this with great interest and despair. I'm someone who 4 years ago went on one of the very much loved Part P two week courses. Now before you guys get stuck into me, you need to know that I paid 4k of my own cash to do this course, as I wanted to improve my knowledge and do a good safe job for my customers. I have my own business renovating bathrooms, so clearly if I want to provide electrical work as part of that business it is hugely important that it is done to a high standard and tested accordingly. I am only writing on this post because even with my limited knowledge, having read through this post, I was able to pick up on a large number of the issues that you guys were spotting. This kind of shameless awful work is totally unacceptable! I wanted to talk briefly about what my thoughts were around the course I took. I should also point out that I have a background in automotive electrics, so although this is clearly not the same as domestic electrical work, there is a degree of crossover. Most of the people I met on the course were really good guys but in spite of this, there seemed to be a high percentage of them that should not have been let near a screwdriver let alone be aloud to do live testing. I was working in one of the bays with two other guys doing practical stuff and they sussed that I (Without wanting to sound immodest) was quite capable. Once they latched onto this they kept asking me how to do things and all the while I'm thinking "I'm paying ÂŁ4k for this" One of the fellas was from India and told me he had only been in the country for 6 weeks. Prior to this course he was studying law, but gave up. My point is, this fella passed the course and like most of the others that were on it, including myself. They could well be out there working in peoples homes, and I find that very worrying. I should also point out that I decided not to become a scheme member and ended up substantially out of pocket, because I didn't believe that I could develop sufficient knowledge and keep on top of the Reg's etc. Can I test, can I wire a circuit safely? Yes! but I'm I totally confident that I can provide a safe service to my customers? No! You can probably appreciate how P**t off reading about the joker in this forum makes me in light of all I have written. Sorry for the length of this post.