Sockets under Sink ?

[Lioned]

Most new kitchens you seem to have no option but to install sockets (for wash machine/dish washer etc) under the sink in the base unit.
I do not believe there is any reg's restricting this but some kitchen fitters i come across still seem to think it is taboo (though they do it anyway).

Am i right,that as long as circuit is protected by rcd/rcbo there is not a problem ?

Thanks

 

[hasel5]

Tbh the appliances are more likely in a new install to take the rcd out than the fuse in the plug / fcu as most faults are going to b L-e N-e

 

[Engineer54]

I understand the 'discrimination' issue,though think it a bit dubious between a plug top and local fcu which are located so close together.I would be suprised if it were to be considered an issue on inspection.

So you'll be quite happy pulling out say, a heavy washing machine, or an oven, just to replace a plug top fuse?? .....Rather you than me!! lol!!!

 

[IQ Electrical]

Has anyone used the retractable socket pillars in a kitchen yet? Pop Up Socket - 3 x 240V Sockets - Aluminium and Black Finish

 

[Deleted member 9648]

Why not behind the appliance it's supplying, that's where all mine are in my house??
What i have no time for is cooker points buried in cabinets behind myriads of pots and pans, or tins of this and that!! Or sockets that that should be above the worktop, but aren't because a householder doesn't want to see FCU's or sockets in there over expensive tile work. ....Most if not all, live to regret that daft idea. A kitchen is a functional work space, not a fashion accessory/statement for others to admire....

Try telling that to lady muck who's persuaded hubby to cough for a new bespoke.......:2guns:

 

[Deleted member 9648]

until the plumber comes to change a tap. sploosh.

Serves him right for being a plumber

 

[Engineer54]

Has anyone used the retractable socket pillars in a kitchen yet? Pop Up Socket - 3 x 240V Sockets - Aluminium and Black Finish

Yes fine, ....IF you don't mind liquid spills going down into the inside of your new kitchen cabinets, they aren't leak proof unfortunately whether they are in the up or down position!!

 

[Southern Spark]

A kitchen is a functional work space, not a fashion accessory/statement for others to admire....[/QUOTE]

Thats a fair comment in a standard 2 up 2 down house, but it is not always like that. I do a lot of £3-4 million + houses with bespoke kitchens costing in excess of £100,000. I would not have the gaul to stand there and tell the architect, customer, site manager that there kitchen is not a fashion item. In these kitchens they barely have a socket above worktop because it will spoil there fashionable 'clean lines'. And I cant say I disagree with them. They all have ornate glass splash backs and im not surprised they dont want banks of fcus on show. I can fit as many as 10 in a kitchen and it would look dreadful above the work top. In my eyes I am not following bad practice, Im not going against the regs and I am keeping the customer happy.

 

[IQ Electrical]

The electrical business has always been about aesthetics, functionality and safety, it's finding the correct balance between the first 2 and that changes from client to client.

 

[Engineer54]

Don't confuse a Rich Man's kitchen that will rarely if never be used as an every day functional kitchen, unlike your standard Mr averages 3 bed house....

I've had plenty of discussions with architects, on kitchens etc, and believe it or not, some can actually see and act on the points i make to them. Most Arch's are hairy fairies with their heads up in the clouds, that haven't got a dammed clue about living in there designs, let alone in the real world!!!

 

[Gravid]

Has anyone used the retractable socket pillars in a kitchen yet? Pop Up Socket - 3 x 240V Sockets - Aluminium and Black Finish

Yes couple of times, great solution for power on centre islands. Both customers been well impressed with the idea and finished job.

 

[Southern Spark]

(quote)I've had plenty of discussions with architects, on kitchens etc, and believe it or not, some can actually see and act on the points i make to them. Most Arch's are hairy fairies with their heads up in the clouds, that haven't got a dammed clue about living in there designs, let alone in the real world!!! (quote)

lol, tell me about it. I am currently wiring a £4 million build 5 bed house, and I am sure that from an architects point of view it is a great design. But they sacrifice any functionality so that they can achieve their vision. for example, the whole house is an arc design, so beds 2 and 3 (in the middle of the arc) are so cramped I couldnt even fit the cbus light switches in the ensuite. i dont know about you but if I was paying £4 million to build a house I would be a bit peived if I burnt my face on the towel rail everytime I was dropping the kids of to school if you know what I mean!! just remembered as well in the planning stages, the architect and client suggested to my boss that in the lounge they should have just 1 floor socket underneath the sofa for a lamp!!! I dont know how there brains operate sometimes.

 

[Lioned]

Thing is i wouldnt put a socket behind an appliance,thats the whole point of putting them under the sink were you can get to them.Most appliances there is not enough space behind them (if they are integrated) so you just cant do it.

 

[Engineer54]

Thing is i wouldnt put a socket behind an appliance,thats the whole point of putting them under the sink were you can get to them.Most appliances there is not enough space behind them (if they are integrated) so you just cant do it.

Well i've never had socket outlets placed anywhere else on any of my projects, be they commercial or domestic type kitchens or in my own homes. And no i've never seen or had problems with placement space either... All have been installed into the fabric of the building too, not on the sides of kitchen cabinets...

 

[Des 56]

I dont like sockets or isolators or any outlets inside kitchen cupboards and the like

I know a case can be argued for them,but it doesn't sit right with my own thinking and probably never will

 

[Lioned]

Cant see where else you can put them tbh.In a fitted kitchen you have to accommodate.

Cooker connection unit
Hob ignition (socket)
Fridge /freezer (possibly seperate circuit)
Dishwasher
Washing machine
Under cupboard lights
Possibly plynth lights now getting popular
Extract hood
Possibly waste disposal

I challenge anyone to install a fitted kitchen and not end up with most of these in cupboards ?

You could just as much argue a case for not having sockets in a garage as sooner or later the roof will leak.