Spot light question

[liambroad]

A bit of advice is needed chaps , got called to a house today to complete spoitlights that the owner had started basicly he marked out and cut the holes out where he wanted the lights and wanted me to wire up the lights he got from BBQ they are 12v 25w halogens. problem is that one of the spotlights just missed a joist and is about 10mm from it , i need to know is there anything i can do to stop the heat getting to the joist ? As a last resort i know ill have to redo his holes , but i can help it i dont want that. any suggestions ?
thanks alot.

 

[Hawk]

If the fitting has an F without a bar across it then it CAN be fixed within combustible material (wood, MDF etc) if it has a cross within the F and trianlge then it must not be installed within combustible material. Another option is to get a fire hood. Page 150 in the 17th edition.

 

[Silly Sausage]

Thanks for the tips guys i went with using the plumbers heat pad , only £3 from the wholesalers bit of a bargin me thinks

A reasonable solution to a dodgy problem. (and it was my suggestion! I'm skint so there's no point in suing me)
My only concern is that, are you doing a minor works cert with the knowledge that there is a dubious bit of installation going on, ie, light fitting installed not to manufacturers specs & you know it's too close to a joist???

 

[JamesBrownLive]

A reasonable solution to a dodgy problem. (and it was my suggestion! I'm skint so there's no point in suing me)
My only concern is that, are you doing a minor works cert with the knowledge that there is a dubious bit of installation going on, ie, light fitting installed not to manufacturers specs & you know it's too close to a joist???

You bring up an extremely interesting point regarding how far people should go in bending the rules. I guess it boils down to how badly the individual in question needs the work? Stick rigidly to them and risk losing the work, or be flexible and possibly have some worry :uhoh2:
No doubt in these cases, if a property was damaged in anyway due to rule bending, the owner would be after you like a shot.

I guess when work is plentyful, walking away from recalcitrant owners is rather easier :yes:

 

[Blowcat]

I think thats a perfect solution for the problem using the plumbers heat pad. Install it well and I wouldn't worry about it anymore. Seen a couple of joists notched out to get the lights it and never noticed any charring on the wood.

 

[Silly Sausage]

I think thats a perfect solution for the problem using the plumbers heat pad. Install it well and I wouldn't worry about it anymore. Seen a couple of joists notched out to get the lights it and never noticed any charring on the wood.

I've got disagree on that statement.

The regs specifically state that equipment should be installed to manus specs, in this case xxmills gap etc. so it is a botch job.
There is so much chit chat on here about doing monkey work, diy efforts are going to burn your house down, it's your name on the documentation etc etc etc...the OP should just so NO.

Or just do it, sign nothing and take the money and run

 

[Engineer54]

I've got disagree on that statement.

The regs specifically state that equipment should be installed to manus specs, in this case xxmills gap etc. so it is a botch job.
There is so much chit chat on here about doing monkey work, diy efforts are going to burn your house down, it's your name on the documentation etc etc etc...the OP should just so NO.

Or just do it, sign nothing and take the money and run

If only the world were so perfect!! lol!!

The truth is, all too often you need to modify electrical installations to suit the site conditions. I wouldn't be able to count the number of times i've had to sign off on modifications, big and small i've had to make over the years.

I'm not saying in this particular situation, ....I would need to make my own on site assessment, but that's the nature of being a professional hired to do a job of work. Alas it all comes down to having the experience, to enable you to make these judgement calls. The Reg's are there for a purpose, they give you guidance, they can't always give you the answer to every situation you will encounter on site, nor do we expect them too.

 

[Silly Sausage]

If only the world were so perfect!! lol!!

Come and live(is that right?) in my world hahahaha, the frigging rain is rotting my brains again.

The way I read the OPs post is he's essentially doing a new installation so bodging a miss placed light is no good.
The suggestion of using a heat resistant mat is great for a remidial but not for a new install. We're not talking Cyprus installs here

 

[GLENNSPARK]

Do they sling those "hookups" over the cables and down to an "intake" if you could call it that in cyprus archy or is that still just reserved for african backwaters.......

 

[Silly Sausage]

I think my brains are turning to mush, you've lost me there Glen.
Anyway, I'm off to Ireland tomorrow, with some test gear!. The wife's uncle had a new house built, none of the TV ariel connections work, automatic garage door has a mind of its own, should be OK for lashings of sweet Guiness for a week!

 

[GLENNSPARK]

Havn`t you seen that one archy? In the shanty towns in some african states they basically nick power by lashing up a harness to feed current down to there dwelling (hut). I think they just aim well and sling it over the power cable and tap to the earth wire (SWER)....and there off.........

 

[Engineer54]

Come and live(is that right?) in my world hahahaha, the frigging rain is rotting my brains again.

The way I read the OPs post is he's essentially doing a new installation so bodging a miss placed light is no good.
The suggestion of using a heat resistant mat is great for a remidial but not for a new install. We're not talking Cyprus installs here

I rarely work on existing installations, my earlier post is life in the real world, and far away from anything you'll find in Cyprus. ...lol!!! New or old you need to work with what you have, and that's not always ideal, it's how you deal it, that makes the difference!!

 

[Engineer54]

Havn`t you seen that one archy? In the shanty towns in some african states they basically nick power by lashing up a harness to feed current down to there dwelling (hut). I think they just aim well and sling it over the power cable and tap to the earth wire (SWER)....and there off.........

Think you'll find that's in India, and around the Indian sub-continent!! They don't get too many electrical supplies in African shanty towns ...lol!!!