spot lights

[1983]

hay some advice please i wana do some stop lights for a mate of mind and just need a little advice. ok the celings already down im going to take an t&e from the exsting lighting do i conect the phase with the switch line alread there and take it to the spot and then t&e from spot to spot? and one more question please is it ok to use connector blocks and sum insulation tape for connection in stead of an jb or is that bad practice. or shall i use chok blocks thanks for the advice

not even one person going to offer me abit of advice

 

[patricklondon]

connector blocks and sum insulation tape for connection in stead of an jb or is that bad practice. or shall i use chok blocks thanks for the advice

BAD practice look for non maintained junction boxes ive seen links for them on here before. your previous posts say you've completed 2330 1+2, your notes should have basic lighting circuit diagrams as will your text books. dont mean to patronise but if you dont understand these basics you could get HURT

 

[electricAl]

or someone else will.

I suspect no-one had answered previously, because even the dodgy minded on here were shocked by your questions & wouldn`t want to encourage you do something beyond your capabilities. I`m stunned that you`ve even attended a 2330 lv2 course based upon your questions (a youngster i know would be able to advise you & he started his in Sept)

You quite obviously need to learn far more before doing any work - most especially for other people.

You`re scaring me

 

[1983]

the feed and switch line is already there supplying 1light in the middle a friend of mine ask to add 4 spot lights to it. now i no i got to take a 1mm or 1.5mm twin & earth from the exsting light to the next light so what i was asking is do u connect the red/brown on the new cable to the exsting switch line and n to n earth to earth so that all lights come on with 1 switch? there 230v spots so no transformer. please explain how this is dangerous

 

[electricAl]

please explain how this is dangerous

Okay.

Voltages above 50v can cause serious harm.

You are talking about 230v Uo here. Deadly, silent, ordourless

Contacting 230v with no ADS will kill indiscriminately. Me. You. Your mate & his family. Infact if we all hold hands it`ll kill all of us. I joke not.

It takes less than 50mA (thats 0.05 A) of current at these voltages to kill an adult. Your lighting cct is probably protected by a 6A breaker. Maybe its only 5A. Just 5 little amps. But with enough in each one of those amps to kill you 20 times over.
20 times x 5 of those amps tells us theres enough juice to kill you 100 times over. In a puny little lighting circuit.

Surprised. Yes, i thought you might be.

And thats why what you are proposing to do is dangerous 1983. Because you have no idea of the potential of electricity to harm.

That & the fact you even needed to ask this...

so what i was asking is do u connect the red/brown on the new cable to the exsting switch line and n to n earth to earth so that all lights come on with 1 switch?

Has your `mate` any idea that you needed to ask on a forum for an answer my 16yr old / just left school / 5 weeks at college / possible in 3 yrs might just be useful / budding wannabe apprentice / would give an immediate answer to?

Should be installing these lights be considered dangerous. In the hands of someone competent its about as easy, simple & safe as electrical work ever gets.

The dangers of electricity (even MEGAWATTS of the stuff) are minimised when controlled by appropriately informed, trained & equipped personnel.

You are none of those things.

YOU are dangerous. Not the job

 

[kung]

hay some advice please i wana do some stop lights for a mate of mind and just need a little advice.

Dont do it ! but make sure there working for the mot !
Please note your work WILL need to comply with the 17th edition I.E.E. wiring regs !

 

[1983]

Contacting 230v with no ADS what is ADS? can u please explain how u would wire 4lights of 1 switch from an extising lighting which has a feed and switch line already there

 

[kung]

Automatic disconnection of supply ! ADS.
Whats the loading of the lighting circuit already there and the installation method also have you checked Zs ?

 

[electricAl]

Automatic disconnection of supply ! ADS.
Whats the loading of the lighting circuit already there and the installation method ?

Kung, if, as anticipated, he doesn`t know what ADS is i somehow doubt you`ll get a workable answer on Ref Method. & Zs? Half asleep mode maybe?

The irony is that 1983 answered his own question in his OP but his knowledge is sooo limited he can`t see it. I`m all for helping someone out, & we all get rusty about something every once in a while, but this isnt a Q about an adiabatic involving armour of a cable or even "can i use T&E outside" or "on my 2330 i am confused about phasor additions..."

This is just basic with a capital SIC

Perhaps even the lights are trying to tell him something - STOP

 

[1983]

ok let me start again there is an exsting lighting which has a switch line and a feed i want to add 4 spot lights to this light, operating from the same switch for me 2 operate the 4lights from 1 switch i no i got to run a 1.5mm t&e from the exsting light to the 1st spot then from there to the other and so on.

so the exsting light has a feed, a swicth line and, a loop to the next light and the last light has one cable. now what i was asking was from the esxting light connect the phase from the feed cable with the phase of the swich line 2geather n to n and e 2 e now the new cable that goes to light two do i connect the phase with the origanl switch line so that they all operate from 1 switch? how is this dangrous when im working dead? by the way there 230v spots so no need for a tramsformer if im wrong please expalin how and y thank u for taking time 2 read this and for the help to those who decide to help

 

[electricAl]

1983. We do want to help.Thats why we`re on here But i`m not gonna help you put yourself or others in danger.

We`re trying to help you by suggesting you need to educate yourself to a much higher degree.
That the answer was staring you in the face but you failed to recognise it illustrates how unfamiliar even basic 3 plate wiring is to you. That alone should make you stop & think.

The feed comes into the fitting.
Loop to next light taken off from L/N/E terminals.
Assuming 1 way switching, T&E likely as switch drop, returning as switched live.
(Original pendant connected across this & Neutral)
You simply needed to take a feed for the other 3 lights from this switched live term + N + E

As simple as.

We`re worried because someone not knowing even that, isn`t gonna know how to; select the correct cable type & size, protective device, the light fittings IP ratings nor distances from combustible surfaces, fire ratings, connectors, erection methods, let alone test effectively and fill in the certificates.

They`re just gonna guess & test it by turning it on. Which makes them no better than the average DIYer. Worse infact. Because then they`re gonna believe they really are a spark cos they guessed well enough for the lights to work (not exactly hard)
So they go to the next job & guess that as well. Now they really are a spark. Then they move on to guessing ever & ever more dangerous stuff until, the inevitable happens & someone gets seriously hurt (rarely themselves tho) or someones possessions go up in smoke.

You can`t guess your way to being a spark, 1983. You gotta learrn how to be one. And you`re a long way from that.

We`ve tried to help you mate. Just not in the way you expected.

 

[patricklondon]

sorry 1983 but if you were as persistant with your studies as you are now with this thread you wouldent keep repeating these very basic questions. you cannot proceed to level 2 unless you fully understand them which you claim you have.

theres always a need for painters and decorators and theres much less risk of getting hurt im sure the startup costs are less too. give it a thought

 

[1983]

You simply needed to take a feed for the other 3 lights from this switched live term + N + E

thats all i was after thanks and for the rest ive got a mate who does the testing and his on hoilday at the mo thats y ive came here for advice. im sorry but my memerios a bit poor due 2 persoanly reason and havent worked in a long time thats y i wanted 2 make sure of a few things thanks for your hep tips and advice. i no its basic just needed a memeri jog beta 2 be safe then sorry

 

[sparks1234]

Surely this is a windup

 

[kung]

Kung, if, as anticipated, he doesn`t know what ADS is i somehow doubt you`ll get a workable answer on Ref Method. & Zs? Half asleep mode maybe?

So in actual fact what were talking about is a zzzzzzzzs answer as apposed to a Zs one
I feel a duvet day comming on again !