Spray Paint Oven

[evo121]

Hi All, first time posting, just like say what a great site ,very informative.

After testing the oven, which comprises of 3-phase motors , control panel and cable to isolator/motor.
What certificate would you use ?

Thanks in Advance

evo121

 

[Deleted member 9648]

Have you installed it or inspected it?

EICR if you've inspected it......EIC if you've installed it with a new circuit....MW if you've connected it to an existing point.

 

[Marvo]

A spray paint oven may come under Ex regs. Can you give more info on the oven and its use?

 

[telectrix]

PAT test.??? :49:

 

[evo121]

Hi All, Thank for replying: here is the spec:

it is a stand alone unit which will be used in the auto industry for drying parts of cars\engines that have been painted/pcoated.

The unit will be installed in car plant, and approx size of unit is L 6M X W 4M X H 4M


Comprising 1 x control panel , supply to panel 3 phase n+e cable size 70mm2 to, 400amp 3ph + N isolator / supply cable to be installed by sparks on-site

On- Board there is 3 x 3ph fan motors ,1 x 3ph hoist (for lifting oven door) fixed above door

3 banks of single phase heaters ,6 heaters per bank

24Vdc control psu.

cant give you motor / heater rating as i have not been give the full spec sheets and drawings yet ,i got the info above from project eng.

i have been asked to inspect /test and supply cert to customer,, which cert would apply to job? do i put motors /heaters results on separate sheet ?

no lighting, panel build and supplied by others

hope this helps

Evo

 

[robsparky1975]

Sounds to me as though you will need a 3 signature installation cert,so designer,installers and yourself testing/inspection all need to sign.

 

[markc123]

PAT test.??? :49:

Haha, i once went to do an PIR, and the only sticker the cu had on it was a PAT test sticker with some randome guys initials, and the test date and next date.

To be fair, he did have the recommended next test date to 10years...........obviouslly competent then :laugh:

 

[evo121]

Thanks robsparky i will use that form, Which section of the cert is used for test results for the motor/heaters As there will be a lot of readings to input on the cert

Thanks Again

evo

 

[cobrauk]

I do not see this as a electrical installation its a piece of equipment is it not ? what would a factory or manufacturing company do, when they send this type of equipment out, as far as testing is concerned I would say insulation testing/ R1+R2 only, as the supply its connected to is only temporary is it not ? so cant be shown on the certificate can it ?

so I wouldn't normally expect to test fixed equipment using a electrical installation test certificate, the only thing I would test would be the supply to it.

Or am the only one who thinks this way ?

 

[evo121]

Where does it say it's a tempary suppy?

 

[netblindpaul]

Are all the ancillary items of equipment, controls motors etc. fed from the control panel for the "assembly"?
That is, is there a single connection to the fixed electrical installation in the form of a single cable 70mm Sq from a DB with a protective device feeding on to the control panel which has its own isolator?

 

[Engineer54]

I do not see this as a electrical installation its a piece of equipment is it not ? what would a factory or manufacturing company do, when they send this type of equipment out, as far as testing is concerned I would say insulation testing/ R1+R2 only, as the supply its connected to is only temporary is it not ? so cant be shown on the certificate can it ?

so I wouldn't normally expect to test fixed equipment using a electrical installation test certificate, the only thing I would test would be the supply to it.

Or am the only one who thinks this way ?

In a simple word ...YES!! Your thinking in Domestic terms, and this is way outside of Domestic!! lol!!

 

[evo121]

Hi ,I was told by our projects guy that the customer is running in the supply cables to the panel, with 70mm singles 3 phase +N+E , to a 400A Isolator in panel, just had a quick look at the drwg for panel -(third party)

6 x 63A tp mcb's type C for heaters ,
3 x 6A tp mcb's type C for the fan motors,and
6A x1 tp type C for the door hoist .

Cheers
Evo

 

[Guest55]

In a simple word ...YES!! Your thinking in Domestic terms, and this is way outside of Domestic!! lol!!

not really , any equipment no matter its size or complexity , is still equipment and any of the standard bs7671 test certs would be inappropriate.

 

[Engineer54]

not really , any equipment no matter its size or complexity , is still equipment and any of the standard bs7671 test certs would be inappropriate.

Who's talking about BS7671?? This substantual equipement still needs an initial installation and periodic testing, no matter what BS standard is followed. The confusion here, is that the majority of those on the forum only know of BS7671 and it's guides. In industry it's a whole new ball game, that BS7671 plays only a very small part of...

If this equipment is installed in a Motor company, ask the Area Foreman or the Engineering office, for a copy of their standard testing format sheets. Though beware, that you may not have all the test equipment required to cover all of the tests listed ...lol!!!