Spur under bath allowed?

[Toneyz]

My pet hate ... inaccessible points of isolation... I bet the 18th won't sort this out either!

no the book will get thicker with things that should be in a separate British Standard of it's own

 

[Risteard]

Oysters are very difficult to open, apparently.

I have a good oyster shucker which makes it dead easy.

 

[Subby]

My pet hate - bath panels that are stuck on with mastic/take adhesive etc . And no I do t have electrics under my bath. I have a room under my bathroom but no electrics under my bath . The electric refs seem a bit lax if that is the case. And before you continue doing your own plumbing, I'd get a professional in I know how rough you sparks are

 

[David M]

I don't get why anyone would put the FCU's behind the bath (I assume this is the case). If there is no other option but to put the FCU under the bath I would put it in an accessible place just behind the bath panel and in a position that is least likely to get water ingress in the event of a leak.

I do bathroom re-furbs, in my experience there are cowboys in both trades (plumbing & electrics) there are also some decent professional folk who actually take care and consideration.

 

[Midwest]

Granted an FCU behind a bath is not the most suitable location, for the reason Murdoch highlighted. However, it is possible that there may be circumstances that one would need to be located in such a place, or indeed a flex outlet plate may need to be located there to feed appliance, as previously mentioned.

It is for the designer of the installation, to make these judgements to comply with BS7671. Chapter 51 advices of guidance on, compatibility, external influences and accessibility. Reg 528.3 advices of guidance on proximity to non electrical services. I expect there are others.

My bath hasn't leaked and mastic failed (fingers now crossed ) in the years it has been installed, so if needed I would install an electrical wiring system underneath it, if that was the only option. I'm not quite sure how majority of controls for CH systems would be installed, if close proximity was not acceptable.

Just saying.

PS; I can give tips on applying bath sealant

 

[David M]

My bath hasn't leaked and mastic failed (fingers now crossed ) in the years it has been installed, so if needed I would install an electrical wiring system underneath it, if that was the only option. I'm not quite sure how majority of controls for CH systems would be installed, if close proximity was not acceptable.

Just saying.

PS; I can give tips on applying bath sealant

Sounds like you luckily have a well installed bath! The quality of the bath, i.e thickness and construction can make a difference along with the quality of the sealant. Also when we install baths we support all the edges with timber so that any movement between the bath and tile is eliminated.
Most cheap baths are crap construction and so thin they flex all over the place. They also come with 2 poxy angle brackets to fix and support them in place. You would spend a life time re-sealing these unless you fitted them properly to a supporting frame.

 

[Upton Sparks]

Going back to my point, what about the luminaires in the floor below the bath, how do we protect them from leaking baths?

NO, it just plan Logic isn't.

If you place a Fused spur under a sink or a bath you must give consideration to the proximity of the water service , its very unlike that a water pipe will spontaneously bust, (but possible) its more likely a plumber/ home owner will work on the pipe thinking he/she has isolated it..... and getting a surprise!, or the sink or bath seals leaking to the area below.

But we give these consideration because past experience has told us sh*t Happens sometimes.
In either of these case you could easily say an IP56 rated fused spur would be required. which is different to must be required.
Given the Photo I would of installed an IP rated box mount under the Bath accessible from the Front cover, without having to lub up an apprentice and throw him in there to do any final terminations we've missed before the plumber ruined my day by installing his bath.

To take it to the level and say well what about the light fitting if a pipe burst or leaks in a floor void is never going to be an electricians fault, that's just bad luck and not reasonably foreseeable, unlike a fused spur installed flush mounted on a wall with a bath above it and its only protection from a bath most likely to be wet when in use is some mastic....... that will leak at some point and is reasonably foreseeable in my option.

Its just Design chaps which = commonsense! ... no?

 

[Midwest]

So with that concept or idea;

'plumber/ home owner will work on the pipe thinking he/she has isolated it..... and getting a surprise!, or the sink or bath seals leaking to the area below.
But we give these consideration because past experience has told us sh*t Happens sometimes',

then sockets installed under kitchen sinks should be suitably IP rated, controls for CH systems (including pumps & valves) should be suitable IP rated, and even the good old immersion heater switch and element head, should suitably IP rated.

I've seen many a wet boiler system, with FCU and programmer installed adjacent, should these be suitably IP rated?

 

[Midwest]

Sounds like you luckily have a well installed bath! The quality of the bath, i.e thickness and construction can make a difference along with the quality of the sealant. Also when we install baths we support all the edges with timber so that any movement between the bath and tile is eliminated.
Most cheap baths are crap construction and so thin they flex all over the place. They also come with 2 poxy angle brackets to fix and support them in place. You would spend a life time re-sealing these unless you fitted them properly to a supporting frame.

Arrgh I see, I installed it in the correct way then, using timber battens.

Done something right for once

 

[Midwest]

PPS; as the home owner in this particular example, as well about worrying about the liquid dripping onto my FCU's, I would be keen to rectify the cascade ruining the rest of my property. As it has been suggested, there is a possible solution.

 

[Upton Sparks]

haha.. I see your Angle there!.. looking for extra revenue stream in applying Mastic ! ten year warranty as well, Nice touch ...

 

[Midwest]

haha.. I see your Angle there!.. looking for extra revenue stream in applying Mastic ! ten year warranty as well, Nice touch ...

Yep mines lasted ten years, least I don't install outdoor sockets etc, indoors

Nah Nah Ne Nah Nah

 

[Toneyz]

My pet hate - bath panels that are stuck on with mastic/take adhesive etc . And no I do t have electrics under my bath. I have a room under my bathroom but no electrics under my bath . The electric refs seem a bit lax if that is the case. And before you continue doing your own plumbing, I'd get a professional in I know how rough you sparks are

ok game set and match.

 

[Midwest]

ok game set and match.

I thought I was at 40 30!

 

[Midwest]

I put my bath in some ten years ago, mastic has remained intact, and no leaks between bath and wall. Just saying

Going back to my point, what about the luminaires in the floor below the bath, how do we protect them from leaking baths?

I have just had my post rated as 'dumb' 'disliked' by Amqcumbria, which is his/her prerogative. But when this member has no activity or postings, I do find it a bit bizarre. Perhaps you would like to post a comment Amqcumbria instead?