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[Robinson]

Hi just quick question. which once answered could trigger a few more

Do you consider a care home for elderly Domestic or commercial.?

Would you choose to omit use of RCD protection reason given is that its Commercial not domestic and only domestic needs RCD
(thats what a sparks has said to a client)

 

[Robinson]

ANd the Issue was then brought up about the rcd as i had mentioned that due to the nature of the enviroment it would be advised to consisder RCD protection in future. And would of noted this if not applied this when doing a job like he was employed to do. considering the risk on premisise

 

[Robinson]

His the sparks defence letter

As a matter of course, when looking to wire up a new item of equipment, into an existing electrical installation, we would endeavour to isolate the circuit we intend using by tracking it back to the main fuseboard and removing that specific fuse.

We found the same confusing situation on the fuseboard as their electrician has confirmed and only by the process of elimination, did we find the circuit we needed, which was the one containing the old existing extract fan.

As a matter of course, we then carried out a safety check on this circuit by carrying out an earth loop impedence test, which gave a ZS reading well within the recommended parameters.

By introducing the new fans, we have only increased the load by less than 1 amp, which should not have caused any issues.

We cannot be held responsible for the condition of the existing circuitry and can only carry out tests to the circuit we wish to attach to, to ensure it to be sound, before we continue. Had we found the fault that their electrician claims to have found, we would not have carried on and would have had to find another circuit to attach to.

In terms of RCD protection, this is not a domestic property but considered a commercial one and any electrical work should therefore be carried out by a competent and qualified electrician, if but for nothing else, for insurance purposes. Isolators have been fitted and the installation has been carried out in accordance with the latest IIE 17th Edition Regulations. A minor works certificate will be issued in due course.

 

[Rampage]

Would a kitchen still be special location? or could it be considered under 411.3.3 a skilled person? ie contract chefs etc etc

Definately not!
It means skilled electrical trained person, not a skilled chef!
The way they rush around they don't care about anything electrical! If my chefs repaired everything they broke / melted I'd have a much easier life!

 

[Robinson]

Definately not!
It means skilled electrical trained person, not a skilled chef!
The way they rush around they don't care about anything electrical! If my chefs repaired everything they broke / melted I'd have a much easier life!

but looking back at the EAWR quote..


16. No person shall be engaged in any work activity where technical knowledge or experience is necessary to prevent danger or, where appropriate, injury, unless he possesses such knowledge or experience, or is under such degree of supervision as may be appropriate having regard to the nature of the work."
If it is part of an employee's duties to use a socket-outlet. then they must be either skilled or instructed.
Certain establishments, such as hotels or internet cafes, would require RCD protection on socket-outlets that could be
used by guests and patrons.
The exception however does not apply to socket-outlets that are used for mobile equipement outdoors.

i agree about way they rush around, but in the professional sense these are skilled trained health and safety concious people who are trained to use the appliances they need. .Does this actually only mean trained to use a socket outlet !